[kirklancaster]

IS THIS 'USURPATION' OR 'INTEGRATION'?

Fury as German primary school ‘forces’ children to chant ‘Allahu Akbar’ in Muslim prayer

PUPILS at a primary school were forced to chant "Allahu Akhbar" and “there is no God but Allah", an appalled father has claimed.

The father of the pupil at the girl's primary school in German ski resort Garmisch-Partenkirchen discovered that his daughter had been forced to learn the Islamic prayer when he discovered a handout she had been given.

He claimed she had been "forced" by teachers to memorise the Islamic chants and forwarded the handout to Austrian news service unsertirol24.

The handout read: "Oh Allah, how perfect you are and praise be to you. Blessed is your name, and exalted is your majesty. There is no God but you."

It had been given to the girl during a lesson in "ethics" at the Bavarian school.

Headteacher Gisela Herl did not confirm the incident when questioned, but said the school would issue a written statement detailing its position in the coming week.

The incident comes just weeks after parents complained to German newspaper Hessian Niedersächsische Allgemeine (HNA) that their children's nursery was refusing to acknowledge "Christmas rituals" to accommodate the "diverse cultures" of other pupils.

The Sara Nussbaum House daycare centre in Kassel refused to put up a Christmas tree, tell Christmas stories or celebrate Christmas in general because it said only a minority of pupils were Christian.

Child migrants are said to outnumber natives at many schools

A spokesman for Kassel explained: “There will be no Christmas celebrations, in the strictest sense. Because the majority of children at this kindergarten are not Christian the festival will not be celebrated in the way that it is at other schools.”

Migrants now outnumber native children at many schools in Germany as the country has been inundated with migrants in recent years.

More than one million migrants are estimated to have arrived in Germany during the last year alone.

The Federal Office for Migration and Refugees estimates that another 200,000 people will apply for asylum in 2017.

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[Brillopad]

Originally Posted by kirklancaster

IS THIS 'USURPATION' OR 'INTEGRATION'?

Fury as German primary school ‘forces’ children to chant ‘Allahu Akbar’ in Muslim prayer

PUPILS at a primary school were forced to chant "Allahu Akhbar" and “there is no God but Allah", an appalled father has claimed.

The father of the pupil at the girl's primary school in German ski resort Garmisch-Partenkirchen discovered that his daughter had been forced to learn the Islamic prayer when he discovered a handout she had been given.

He claimed she had been "forced" by teachers to memorise the Islamic chants and forwarded the handout to Austrian news service unsertirol24.

The handout read: "Oh Allah, how perfect you are and praise be to you. Blessed is your name, and exalted is your majesty. There is no God but you."

It had been given to the girl during a lesson in "ethics" at the Bavarian school.

Headteacher Gisela Herl did not confirm the incident when questioned, but said the school would issue a written statement detailing its position in the coming week.

The incident comes just weeks after parents complained to German newspaper Hessian Niedersächsische Allgemeine (HNA) that their children's nursery was refusing to acknowledge "Christmas rituals" to accommodate the "diverse cultures" of other pupils.

The Sara Nussbaum House daycare centre in Kassel refused to put up a Christmas tree, tell Christmas stories or celebrate Christmas in general because it said only a minority of pupils were Christian.

Child migrants are said to outnumber natives at many schools

A spokesman for Kassel explained: “There will be no Christmas celebrations, in the strictest sense. Because the majority of children at this kindergarten are not Christian the festival will not be celebrated in the way that it is at other schools.”

Migrants now outnumber native children at many schools in Germany as the country has been inundated with migrants in recent years.

More than one million migrants are estimated to have arrived in Germany during the last year alone.

The Federal Office for Migration and Refugees estimates that another 200,000 people will apply for asylum in 2017.

http://www.express.co.uk/news/world/...affic.outbrain

I find this appalling as it shows no consideration or respect for the indigenous population and the cultural and religious beliefs of that population. The way of life of the 'natives' should always be protected.

[Shaun]

So in a lesson about religion and ethics, some kids learned what Muslims say? OMG THE GERMAN IDENTITY IS AT PERIL!!!!!!!!!!

[Tom4784]

Originally Posted by Shaun

So in a lesson about religion and ethics, some kids learned what Muslims say? OMG THE GERMAN IDENTITY IS AT PERIL!!!!!!!!!!

tbh.

The rest of the article seems to be the typical 'MUSLIMS ARE TRYING TO KILL CHRISTMAS' spiel that gets regurgitated every year.

[Brillopad]

Originally Posted by Shaun

So in a lesson about religion and ethics, some kids learned what Muslims say? OMG THE GERMAN IDENTITY IS AT PERIL!!!!!!!!!!

You mock, but you, or should I say your future children/grandchildren, may live to pay for your apathy on the subject. As long as you are not around to worry about it though.

[Shaun]

You're putting an awful lot of weight on that word 'may'. I'm not the one wetting myself over a sheet of A4 paper.

[Tom4784]

Not all Muslims are extremist, the actions of a few do not reflect the actions of the whole. It would be like saying that all Christians are paedophiles due to the crimes of some priests. It's incredibly ignorant to paint Islam as this major threat when it's the extremists that are the problem.

Extremism is not going to take over, We are not going to become a country ruled by Shariah Law. As ever, it's pure hysteria fuelling these fears and not a sense of reality.

There's only a few ways we could ever be taken over and all of them are incredibly unrealistic. The first would be a political takeover which will never happen since Muslim politicians are put under a microscope by the media, look how desperate the media was to create a scandal about Sadiq Khan. Do you honestly think that enough extremist politicians could go undetected and push through policies and laws that would make a Shariah Britain a reality? Not a ****ing chance. Even if these laws were somehow forced into reality, the government would likely face revolts from it's different branches.

The second method would be a referendum of sorts which would never get support from the public. Extremists make up an extreme minority of Muslims, most Muslims wouldn't likely support that referendum nevermind the millions of non-Muslims. Muslims will always be a minority in the UK since the number of non-Muslim citizens will always grow at a larger rate. The only way extremist muslims could force a referendum and win it is if every moderate muslim and non-muslim in the country stopped breeding for a long enough period of time to curb the population growth.

The third and most unlikely is a military takeover. I don't need to go into why that's never going to happen since it should be ****ing obvious why.

It would be nearly impossible to take a democratic country like ours that has enjoyed it's freedoms for years and turn it into a dictatorship. It's all just silly hysteria.

[Northern Monkey]

Originally Posted by kirklancaster

IS THIS 'USURPATION' OR 'INTEGRATION'?

Fury as German primary school ‘forces’ children to chant ‘Allahu Akbar’ in Muslim prayer

PUPILS at a primary school were forced to chant "Allahu Akhbar" and “there is no God but Allah", an appalled father has claimed.

The father of the pupil at the girl's primary school in German ski resort Garmisch-Partenkirchen discovered that his daughter had been forced to learn the Islamic prayer when he discovered a handout she had been given.

He claimed she had been "forced" by teachers to memorise the Islamic chants and forwarded the handout to Austrian news service unsertirol24.

The handout read: "Oh Allah, how perfect you are and praise be to you. Blessed is your name, and exalted is your majesty. There is no God but you."

It had been given to the girl during a lesson in "ethics" at the Bavarian school.

Headteacher Gisela Herl did not confirm the incident when questioned, but said the school would issue a written statement detailing its position in the coming week.

The incident comes just weeks after parents complained to German newspaper Hessian Niedersächsische Allgemeine (HNA) that their children's nursery was refusing to acknowledge "Christmas rituals" to accommodate the "diverse cultures" of other pupils.

The Sara Nussbaum House daycare centre in Kassel refused to put up a Christmas tree, tell Christmas stories or celebrate Christmas in general because it said only a minority of pupils were Christian.

Child migrants are said to outnumber natives at many schools

A spokesman for Kassel explained: “There will be no Christmas celebrations, in the strictest sense. Because the majority of children at this kindergarten are not Christian the festival will not be celebrated in the way that it is at other schools.”

Migrants now outnumber native children at many schools in Germany as the country has been inundated with migrants in recent years.

More than one million migrants are estimated to have arrived in Germany during the last year alone.

The Federal Office for Migration and Refugees estimates that another 200,000 people will apply for asylum in 2017.

http://www.express.co.uk/news/world/...affic.outbrain

Germany's fecked.
Merkel is a liability.The country has a low population so what's Merkels plan?Fill it with Muslims
I predict a backlash and a rise of the far right in the not too distant future.

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by Northern Monkey

Germany's fecked.
Merkel is a liability.The country has a low population so what's Merkels plan?Fill it with Muslims
I predict a backlash and a rise of the far right in the not too distant future.

Where have you been? The far right has risen, Trump is president.

Is there a need for 2 threads on the same topic though?

[Northern Monkey]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

Where have you been? The far right has risen, Trump is president.

Is there a need for 2 threads on the same topic though?

I'm talking about in Germany.

[jaxie]

Originally Posted by Shaun

So in a lesson about religion and ethics, some kids learned what Muslims say? OMG THE GERMAN IDENTITY IS AT PERIL!!!!!!!!!!

So what if a child is told to chant the doctrine and is of a family who are deeply into a different faith. This could cause profound upset.

[jaxie]

Originally Posted by Dezzy

Not all Muslims are extremist, the actions of a few do not reflect the actions of the whole. It would be like saying that all Christians are paedophiles due to the crimes of some priests. It's incredibly ignorant to paint Islam as this major threat when it's the extremists that are the problem.

Extremism is not going to take over, We are not going to become a country ruled by Shariah Law. As ever, it's pure hysteria fuelling these fears and not a sense of reality.

There's only a few ways we could ever be taken over and all of them are incredibly unrealistic. The first would be a political takeover which will never happen since Muslim politicians are put under a microscope by the media, look how desperate the media was to create a scandal about Sadiq Khan. Do you honestly think that enough extremist politicians could go undetected and push through policies and laws that would make a Shariah Britain a reality? Not a ****ing chance. Even if these laws were somehow forced into reality, the government would likely face revolts from it's different branches.

The second method would be a referendum of sorts which would never get support from the public. Extremists make up an extreme minority of Muslims, most Muslims wouldn't likely support that referendum nevermind the millions of non-Muslims. Muslims will always be a minority in the UK since the number of non-Muslim citizens will always grow at a larger rate. The only way extremist muslims could force a referendum and win it is if every moderate muslim and non-muslim in the country stopped breeding for a long enough period of time to curb the population growth.

The third and most unlikely is a military takeover. I don't need to go into why that's never going to happen since it should be ****ing obvious why.

It would be nearly impossible to take a democratic country like ours that has enjoyed it's freedoms for years and turn it into a dictatorship. It's all just silly hysteria.

Calling half the thread ignorant again?

What does looking the other way achieve for you?

Bold 2: What you are convieniantly forgetting as always is the minority of people that are forced to live a certain way by their community. Those are the folks that you should be worrying about/feeling compassion for.

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by Northern Monkey

I'm talking about in Germany.

there are far right groups rising everywhere, there has always been a far right presence in Germany.

[Jessica.]

When I was in primary school I learned many songs and prayers about our Catholic God being the one and only God. Is that just fine because we had to say it in English and Latin but not Arabic? This is not news, it's education and I think all kids should know what Allahu Akbar means so they don't end up as ignorant as a lot of adults these days.

[Northern Monkey]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

there are far right groups rising everywhere, there has always been a far right presence in Germany.

I know.I saw the Swastikas graffitied on the walls when i was there.
There is much more chance of another far right group getting power though with this Islamisation being left free to prosper.

[Brillopad]

Originally Posted by Northern Monkey

I know.I saw the Swastikas graffitied on the walls when i was there.
There is much more chance of another far right group getting power though with this Islamisation being left free to prosper.

Exactly!

[Withano]

Originally Posted by Jessica.

When I was in primary school I learned many songs and prayers about our Catholic God being the one and only God. Is that just fine because we had to say it in English and Latin but not Arabic? This is not news, it's education and I think all kids should know what Allahu Akbar means so they don't end up as ignorant as a lot of adults these days.

hahaha i think some people like to pretend that hymn practice isnt incredibly common for many non-religious schools. Its only bad when it happens the other way around I think.

[Brillopad]

Originally Posted by Jessica.

When I was in primary school I learned many songs and prayers about our Catholic God being the one and only God. Is that just fine because we had to say it in English and Latin but not Arabic? This is not news, it's education and I think all kids should know what Allahu Akbar means so they don't end up as ignorant as a lot of adults these days.

There are many types of 'ignorant' - it usually comes down to viewpoint. Personally I don't think that any child should have any religion shoved down it's throat, would avoid a whole host of problems.

[jaxie]

Originally Posted by Brillopad

There are many types of 'ignorant' - it usually comes down to viewpoint. Personally I don't think that any child should have any religion shoved down it's throat, would avoid a whole host of problems.

[Jessica.]

Originally Posted by Brillopad

There are many types of 'ignorant' - it usually comes down to viewpoint. Personally I don't think that any child should have any religion shoved down it's throat, would avoid a whole host of problems.

There's a difference between having religion shoved down your throat and learning about religions in order to understand and respect the billions of people who practice them daily.

[jennyjuniper]

Originally Posted by jaxie

So what if a child is told to chant the doctrine and is of a family who are deeply into a different faith. This could cause profound upset.

I would accept that only if muslim children were asked to recite the Lords prayer and prayers from other major religions were being recited too.

[jaxie]

Originally Posted by jennyjuniper

I would accept that only if muslim children were asked to recite the Lords prayer and prayers from other major religions were being recited too.

That's probably when it would get violent with the parents storming the school.

[Brillopad]

Originally Posted by Jessica.

There's a difference between having religion shoved down your throat and learning about religions in order to understand and respect the billions of people who practice them daily.

Tell that to those that run certain types of religious schools in Britain. One rule for all - government-run or independent.

[Firewire]

I wish I was taught Arabic at school

[jaxie]

Originally Posted by Firewire

I wish I was taught Arabic at school

I wish I was taught French .. with any real conviction, skill and enthusiasm.