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27-11-2016, 02:54 PM | #1 | |||
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NEARLY 27,500 migrants reached Italy after crossing the Med in October – the highest total ever recorded for one month. The EU’s border agency yesterday claimed people smugglers “crammed even more” migrants into unseaworthy boats in a bid to beat the winter weather. The October total was twice the number recorded in September with Nigerians and Eritreans accounting for the largest number of rescued migrants. The staggering figures mean that 159,500 have reached the Italian coast so far this year, mainly from Libya – up 13 per cent on the same period for 2015. http://frontex.europa.eu/news/record...october-sc99xk This illegal and deadly trade is fuelled by avarice as the illegals are paying 2-3000 quid for the trip. 4600 have drowned this year! Professor Anna Bono of the University of Turin, an expert in African migration, has declared that most of the migrants coming to Italy are not refugees escaping from war or even poor people fleeing hunger, but young, middle-class males. Bono also said that traffickers in African countries are vigorously promoting emigration to Italy through extensive ad campaigns promising a warm welcome and extensive welfare assistance. “In the countries of sub-Saharan Africa there are advertisements inciting people to go to Italy, explaining that everything here is free. And indeed it is,” she said. Last month, Italian Prime Minister Matteo Renzi warned that Italy will not survive another year of mass immigration like the present one. http://www.breitbart.com/london/2016...n-record-2016/ http://www.middleeasteye.net/news/re...ober-728191108 http://europe.newsweek.com/migrants-...e-521856?rm=eu How can we stem this? |
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27-11-2016, 03:26 PM | #2 | ||
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The only thing we should offer is safety nothing more. Alternatively they could be given community work to earn any small benefit they do get and this should constantly be reviewed - those not compliant deported. I know it sounds harsh but I see no other way of stopping it. Our generosity is being abused and will continue if we let it. We can't cope with the sheer numbers and have to think of our own otherwise we will all suffer eventually. |
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27-11-2016, 03:29 PM | #3 | |||
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Its being driven by the avarice of the smugglers who lie to these people of a land of milk and honey
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27-11-2016, 03:32 PM | #4 | ||
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27-11-2016, 03:49 PM | #5 | ||
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Yeah there definitely needs to be some sort of deterrent.They need to know that they're not gonna get anything at all and deported if they're caught.Let them know that they've just wasted their money paying these criminals.It won't stop while Europe is so soft.
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27-11-2016, 04:01 PM | #6 | |||
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"How can we stem this? "
No LT The only way is me building a factory for them all to work hard in and sleep there. A Walmart Shop will have a African Cafe within our zone. they can be paid in € or $. local Italians can also work in the Mega high factory - built fast with metal and panels. They will stitch Bags for life cheaper than India or China. Last edited by arista; 27-11-2016 at 04:07 PM. |
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27-11-2016, 04:06 PM | #7 | |||
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27-11-2016, 04:56 PM | #8 | |||
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Simple answer is deport them as soon as they reach dry land.
Only way to stop others using their riches to get here. |
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27-11-2016, 06:20 PM | #9 | |||
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You have to be desperate to sit on that crowded dingy, it looks terrifying. But how do they afford to pay the people smugglers?
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27-11-2020, 03:10 PM | #10 | |||
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Canary Islands [Illegal Migrant crisis: Hundreds evicted from Gran Canaria port as arrivals surge Hundreds of migrants have been removed by police from a crowded dock in Spain's Canary Islands, following a sharp rise in the number of people arriving there from Africa. A group of 225 people were evicted from the Arguineguín port in Gran Canaria on Tuesday, but thousands still remain. It follows protests over conditions at the port, which an immigration judge earlier described as "inhumane". A total of 16,700 migrants have reached the Canary Islands so far this year.] https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-54985581 Reported on Ch4HDNews/TRTworldNewsHD/BBC World NewsHD Last edited by arista; 27-11-2020 at 03:24 PM. |
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27-11-2020, 03:13 PM | #11 | |||
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They are not told how crowded it is, they are lied to as this is a racket to make money its not poor refugees desperate to flee - its a money making scam
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27-11-2020, 03:18 PM | #12 | |||
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Without the desperation, any scam like this would be impossible.
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27-11-2020, 03:21 PM | #13 | |||
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27-11-2020, 03:31 PM | #14 | |||
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You know as well as I do that folks aren't uprooting and taking what they know will be dangerous journeys, that they've saved up for, potentially over years, for a laugh and a free villa in Tuscany.
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27-11-2020, 03:34 PM | #15 | |||
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27-11-2020, 03:41 PM | #16 | |||
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They're humans, and no human should be considered illegal because they stand on a piece of land different to where they were born. Jews weren't universally welcomed here either during the nazi regime, and many were smuggled in illegally. Should we have sent them all back to die?
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27-11-2020, 05:06 PM | #17 | ||
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27-11-2020, 05:17 PM | #18 | |||
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you cant compare jews in the war arriving in the uk with illegal immigrants arriving now. During WW2 there were no other safe harbour countries in europe left, the uk was very much the only safe area. Fast forward to now and those fleeing war zones have dozens of available safe harbours before they get to the uk, and they have to travel through those safe harbours to illegally arrive here.
If we are taking refugees from camps in war torn areas directly, by all means grant them safe harbour here Last edited by bitontheslide; 27-11-2020 at 05:17 PM. |
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27-11-2020, 05:20 PM | #19 | ||
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Like... a convenient excuse that means we NEVER have to take ANY asylum seekers, because they literally cannot get here without moving through other safe European countries. I'm Alright Union Jack. |
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27-11-2020, 05:28 PM | #20 | |||
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You are consistent that they shouldn't be allowed here though.
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27-11-2020, 05:33 PM | #21 | |||
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https://newrepublic.com/article/1242...ewish-refugees
...There are very few of us Jews in the world. We neither caused the world’s problems nor hold the answers. So if we’re not central to whichever issue of the day—and typically, we’re not—maybe consider leaving us, as an entity, out of it. |
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27-11-2020, 05:37 PM | #22 | |||
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So then what?
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27-11-2020, 05:42 PM | #23 | |||
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Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez compares migrants at US border to Jews fleeing Nazi Germany: 'Applying for refugee status isn't a crime' |
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27-11-2020, 05:42 PM | #24 | |||
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Also, my argument isn't that because we helped Jews, we should help these people, it's "you're saying these people are illegal, do you think we should have treated Jews in the same way?"
It's a question I'd actually be interested in reading a response to.
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27-11-2020, 05:44 PM | #25 | |||
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What does that have to do with this thread? Other than avoiding the issue?
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