[rex3]

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/business/6448421.stm

what does any body think about this. D&G actually think its a good advertisement.?

[GiRTh]

The fashion industry make me sick. I would go into it but I'd be off topic. The advert is absolutely appalling but what do you expect from the fashion industry. They seem to have a different set of rules to the rest of society and still seem like they're making it up as they go along.

[Mrluvaluva]

Do you think it glorifies gang rape then?

[GiRTh]

Why are they holding her down? What's going to happen next? It's all very sleazy.

[Mrluvaluva]

Originally posted by GiRTh
Why are they holding her down? What's going to happen next? It's all very sleazy.

There's 1 guy holding her down. The others are voyeurs.

[GiRTh]

Originally posted by BAZG

There's 1 guy holding her down. The others are voyeurs.

So what? It sends out a terrible image.

[Mrluvaluva]

Originally posted by GiRTh

So what? It sends out a terrible image.

I agree. I was just correcting your post. lol

[GiRTh]

Originally posted by BAZG

I agree. I was just correcting your post. lol

Funny lad aren't ya. I think that you're trivializing this. Remember a few years ago when Calvin Klein did that adverts of kid in their under wear. Disgusting. They always come back with the usual garbage about freedom of expression. They make me sick.

[Lauren]

Originally posted by BAZG
Do you think it glorifies gang rape then?

She looks pretty damned consenting to me.

[Mrluvaluva]

Originally posted by GiRTh

Funny lad aren't you. I think that you're trivializing this. Remember a few years ago when Calvin Klein did that adverts of kid in their under wear. Disgusting. They always come back with the usual garbage about freedom of expression. They make me sick.

What are you getting on your high horse about? I am not condoning this, but even someone like you should know that companies have used shock tactics to get peoples attention for years. And it works! Just look at the controversy it is causing. They are getting what they set out to get. Publicity. I would have thought that was obvious. PR companies do not care about your opinions. Thay care about making money. If you worked for D&G's PR department, would you refuse to be a part of it on ethical grounds, and walk out on your job, because of your beliefs? I don't think so. Get real.

[GiRTh]

I'm not getting on my high horse and I don't know what your mean by ' someone like you'. Perhaps you could explain.

I just hate the industry. They seem to have a different set of values from everybody else and this advert confirms that. They promote the size zero woman when we all know how unhealthy that can be for young women. The women may feel they look better as size zero but it's very unhealthy. The thing is, the women are so blinded by the images they see and we men actively encourage it that they end up having little choice than to buy into the designer label culture. I know of women and men who do not own a single piece of non designer clothing but maintain they're not influenced by fashion. It's very subliminal.

Back to the topic. I would like to know what was going to happen next in this picture. Perhaps you can tell me.

[Mrluvaluva]

Originally posted by GiRTh
I'm not getting on my high horse and I don't know what your mean by ' someone like you'. Perhaps you could explain.

I just hate the industry. They seem to have a different set of values from everybody else and this advert confirms that. They promote the size zero woman when we all know how unhealthy that can be for young women. The women may feel they look better as size zero but it's very unhealthy. The thing is, the women are so blinded by the images they see and we men actively encourage it that they end up having little choice than to buy into the designer label culture. I know of women and men who do not own a single piece of non designer clothing but maintain they're not influenced by fashion. It's very subliminal.

Back to the topic. I would like to know what was going to happen next in this picture. Perhaps you can tell me.

Firstly, let me explain to you by what I meant by "someone like you". I meant, somebody whom I regarded as intelligent. Nothing more, nothing less, so don't try to pick up on things that aren't there, ok.

Regarding the size zero comments, which are off thread, again, but I will retort to them. Whilst there is a gaggle of young models clamouring to get into the fashion industry, because they see it as glamorous and exciting, there will always be fashion houses waiting, ready to pounce, and bastardise them for their own self gratification. Whilst there are willing parties lining up, prepared to go as far as it takes, you will always have a problem. Until people stand up and say "No. Enough is enough".

I myself am too a designer label clothes horse. It is just my taste. Nothing wrong with that. Doesn't make you a snob does it? Most people are influenced by fashion. I should know as I work in the industry.

And as for what happens next in the pic - how the hell should I know? Some people may view it as gang rape, and some people as a kinky sex game.

Get off your soap box Grith.

[GiRTh]

Originally posted by BAZG
Firstly, let me explain to you by what I meant by "someone like you". I meant, somebody whom I regarded as intelligent. Nothing more, nothing less, so don't try to pick up on things that aren't there, ok.

Thank you. I was wondering what you were trying to imply. I'm glad it was nothing.

Regarding the size zero comments, which are off thread, again, but I will retort to them. Whilst there is a gaggle of young models clamouring to get into the fashion industry, because they see it as glamorous and exciting, there will always be fashion houses waiting, ready to pounce, and bastardise them for their own self gratification. Whilst there are willing parties lining up, prepared to go as far as it takes, you will always have a problem. Until people stand up and say "No. Enough is enough".

My comments are off thread but still relevant.

You're right in your last comment but I feel that people are such slaves to the industry that they will never stand up. They're bombarded with images and the designers make their clothes to emphasise the skinny woman.

I think plenty of people are saying 'enough is enough' but, as I said right at the beginning, the fashion industry seem to have a different set of rules to everybody else

I myself am too a designer label clothes horse. It is just my taste. Nothing wrong with that. Doesn't make you a snob does it? Most people are influenced by fashion. I should know as I work in the industry.

You're in the industry? What do you do? Are you a sleazy photographer luring young teenage girl into you 'studio'.

And as for what happens next in the pic - how the hell should I know? Some people may view it as gang rape, and some people as a kinky sex game.

I don't think anything nice is about to happen in this picture and whether consenting or not it's an image that does not belong on billboards.

Get off your soap box Grith.

It's GiRTh not Grith and you know it.

[Lauren]

Originally posted by GiRTh
I don't think anything nice is about to happen in this picture and whether consenting or not it's an image that does not belong on billboards.

But she appears fully consenting, it's not showing what happens afterwards either - so it's all down to interpretations.

[GiRTh]

Originally posted by Lauren

But she appears fully consenting, it's not showing what happens afterwards either - so it's all down to interpretations.

But is it the kind of image that belongs on posters and billboards?

[Lauren]

Originally posted by GiRTh

But is it the kind of image that belongs on posters and billboards?

Why not?
They have women in underwear on them.

[GiRTh]

Originally posted by Lauren

Why not?
They have women in underwear on them.

But are those women being held down? Is there something you want to share with us Loz. We'll understand.

[Mrluvaluva]

Originally posted by GiRTh

Thank you. I was wondering what you were trying to imply. I'm glad it was nothing.

Well now you know. Don't be so bloody sensitive.


My comments are off thread but still relevant.

We were supposed to be talking about the image in hand.

You're right in your last comment but I feel that people are such slaves to the industry that they will never stand up. They're bombarded with images and the designers make their clothes to emphasise the skinny woman.

I think plenty of people are saying 'enough is enough' but, as I said right at the beginning, the fashion industry seem to have a different set of rules to everybody else.

Bit of a contradiction there. One minute you say people will never stand up, and in the next breath say plenty of people are saying enough is enough. Which is it? Are you confoozed?


You're in the industry? What do you do? Are you a sleazy photographer luring young teenage girl into you 'studio'.

That is just a pathetic comment and you know it. I ain't even going to reply to that. It doesn't deserve one!


I don't think anything nice is about to happen in this picture and whether consenting or not it's an image that does not belong on billboards.

That's your interpretation of it. Other people have different opinions. The fact is that shock tactics often work and companies gain publicity which is what they want. Ignore it, and they have lost what they set out to do!

It's GiRTh not Grith and you know it.

It was a simple typo error, and you know it. Get over it and stop being so picky, like there is some ulterior motive there or something.

[Lauren]

Originally posted by GiRTh

But are those women being held down? Is there something you want to share with us Loz. We'll understand.

LOL, they're not, but... whats wrong with being held down? It's not like she's obviously fighting back or anything.

[GiRTh]

Originally posted by Lauren
whats wrong with being held down? It's not like she's obviously fighting back or anything.

There's nothing wrong with being held down while a group of guys watch you? Are you going to be saying this to your teenage daughter when you have one?

[Lauren]

Originally posted by GiRTh

There's nothing wrong with being held down while a group of guys watch you? Are you going to be saying this to your teenage daughter when you have one?

I meant the image The image on a billboard of someone being held down (although she's not fighting back, so it's not really being "held" down) - isn't worse than most images across billboards in the UK.

[GiRTh]

Originally posted by BAZG
Originally posted by GiRTh

Well now you know. Don't be so bl***y sensitive.

not being sensitive but just wanting to know what you meant. Is that OK?

We were supposed to be talking about the image in hand.

Bit of a contradiction there. One minute you say people will never stand up, and in the next breath say plenty of people are saying enough is enough. Which is it? Are you confoozed?

Not really a contradiction. I think there are many girls, and it is predominantly girls, who would like to nosh out but are scared of gaining weight. So they would want to stand up but feel afraid to. You seem to think I've said something other than I've said. Thats your fault not mine.

That is just a pathetic comment and you know it. I ain't even going to reply to that. It doesn't deserve one!

How do I know you're not a sleazy photographer. I've only got your word to say so. You could be anybody for all I know. Do you have a 'studio'?

That's your interpretation of it. Other people have different opinions. The fact is that shock tactics often work and companies gain publicity which is what they want. Ignore it, and they have lost what they set out to do!

Is that OK in your book. Why not shoe full pornographic images. You're argument holds no water. Where does it all stop and I'd have thought that someone in the industry would try to be less biased. Please wake up and smell what you're shovelling.


It was a simple typo error, and you know it. Get over it and stop being so picky, like there is some ulterior motive there or something.
Yeah right bgrayson. You knew that would rile me and it's succeeded.

[Mrluvaluva]

Originally posted by GiRTh
Originally posted by BAZG
Originally posted by GiRTh

Well now you know. Don't be so bl***y sensitive.

not being sensitive but just wanting to know what you meant. Is that OK?

We were supposed to be talking about the image in hand.

Bit of a contradiction there. One minute you say people will never stand up, and in the next breath say plenty of people are saying enough is enough. Which is it? Are you confoozed?

Not really a contradiction. I think there are many girls, and it is predominantly girls, who would like to nosh out but are scared of gaining weight. So they would want to stand up but feel afraid to. You seem to think I've said something other than I've said. Thats your fault not mine.

That is just a pathetic comment and you know it. I ain't even going to reply to that. It doesn't deserve one!

How do I know you're not a sleazy photographer. I've only got your word to say so. You could be anybody for all I know. Do you have a 'studio'?

That's your interpretation of it. Other people have different opinions. The fact is that shock tactics often work and companies gain publicity which is what they want. Ignore it, and they have lost what they set out to do!

Is that OK in your book. Why not shoe full pornographic images. You're argument holds no water. Where does it all stop and I'd have thought that someone in the industry would try to be less biased. Please wake up and smell what you're shovelling.


It was a simple typo error, and you know it. Get over it and stop being so picky, like there is some ulterior motive there or something.
Yeah right bgrayson. You knew that would rile me and it's succeeded.

Erm, I think you need to get a grip Geoff. Nothing to do with who's fault it is here. Read your posts back to yourself before you post them. There was a definite contradiction in your post as I highlighted by "quoting" what you had said. I said I worked in the fashion industry. Why does that make me a "sleazy photographer"? You are just jumping to conclusions. "Studio" indeed. I work in sales if you must know. Happy now? And my opinion may be biased if you want to look at it like that, but it is MY opinion, and I am entitled to it, just as you are to yours. So you don't think shock tactics get publicity? In that case, it is you who needs to wake up! And as for typing your name incorrectly. I did it on purpose did I? I knew it would rile you? And you say you are not sensitive? Could have fooled me.

[Bells]

I do think it's open to interpretations certainly, but plenty of people will see it in one way as opposed to others and in their eyes it's wrong. So for that reason alone the ad being removed is a wise option. I wouldn't say it glorifies gang rape since it's just the one man holding her down, but it's gone one step further than your average billboards degrading women in terms of girls simply posing in their underwear. And to me, that one step is quite a big one, hence the reactions and uproar it's caused. Whilst it may not offend everyone, at this stage it does offend others.

[Mrluvaluva]

Originally posted by ice_maiden02
I do think it's open to interpretations certainly, but plenty of people will see it in one way as opposed to others and in their eyes it's wrong. So for that reason alone the ad being removed is a wise option. I wouldn't say it glorifies gang rape since it's just the one man holding her down, but it's gone one step further than your average billboards degrading women in terms of girls simply posing in their underwear. And to me, that one step is quite a big one, hence the reactions and uproar it's caused. Whilst it may not offend everyone, at this stage it does offend others.

Precisely Ice_maiden. I agree. One step further. Just over the borderline. Enough to shock some people, to obtain publicity. It's already achieved it's own goal. Example - when a song is banned, what happens? Answer - it goes straight in the charts at no 1. Nuff said.