[arista]

Originally Posted by Joannta Claus

I live in Portugal and I'm not fluent in Portuguese yet, I have put endless hours into learning, but I haven't really got a gift for languages, so I'm improving constantly but it's slow.

Health care isn't free for me here and I just filled out some paperwork last week but most of the paperwork is in both English and Portuguese, I have never been provided an interpreter or anything like that, even at the hospital.

Maybe the NHS could use Google translate or something like that for less severe things?

Shame On YOU

[Brillopad]

Originally Posted by Withano

I dont understand your conclusion, I have made no suggestions for any changes to the health system and we currently have an NHS.. Seems like you put one and one together and got 27.

Interpreters are expensive, you support people coming here and getting free access to this service and other NHS services and you believe whoever wants to come here and take from the pot for free should be able to.

This will speed up the end of the NHS - or do you believe that is just scaremongering. As I said we will all have to pay for private insurance soon if we continue to give to those that haven't paid in.

[arista]

Is it acceptable for people to live in Britain but not speak English?


No . not anymore NM

Law and Order

[Jessica.]

Originally Posted by arista

Shame On YOU

Why should I be ashamed? I don't claim benefits or burden anyone, I try very hard to learn, it's not really my fault that I'm not picking it up quickly.

[arista]

Originally Posted by Joannta Claus

Why should I be ashamed? I don't claim benefits or burden anyone, I try very hard to learn, it's not really my fault that I'm not picking it up quickly.

You are slacking

[Jessica.]

Originally Posted by arista

You are slacking

I am not, I even studied today, on a Sunday!

[Withano]

Originally Posted by Brillopad

Interpreters are expensive, you support people coming here and getting free access to this service and other NHS services and you believe whoever wants to come here and take from the pot for free should be able to.

This will speed up the end of the NHS - or do you believe that is just scaremongering. As I said we will all have to pay for private insurance soon if we continue to give to those that haven't paid in.

Ive said nothing about immigration levels.. All UK citizens are entitled to NHS regardless of their nationality, wealth, language comprehension and taxable income. Ie. Exactly whats happening right now. Sorry that you think there needs to be changes, maybe you just need to support our British way of life or leave the country.

[arista]

Originally Posted by Joannta Claus

I am not, I even studied today, on a Sunday!

That's good then.

[Withano]

Should British soldiers learn arabic?

[Brillopad]

Originally Posted by Withano

Ive said nothing about immigration levels.. All UK citizens are entitled to NHS regardless of their nationality, wealth, language comprehension and taxable income. Ie. Exactly whats happening right now. Sorry that you think there needs to be changes, maybe you just need to support our British way of life or leave the country.

Those with language comprehension should have to pay for the use of an interpreter. They should not expect it. Many taxpayers do not agree with this being provided free of charge.

Maybe those that support this uneccessary expense could sign on to pay a higher tax rate to pay on their behalf - therefore putting their money where their mouths are. Seems fair to me.

[Jessica.]

Originally Posted by Withano

Should British soldiers learn arabic?

[Brillopad]

Originally Posted by Withano

Should British soldiers learn arabic?

If it means keeping them in the classroom and keeping them away from the front line risking their lives for those that don't appreciate the risk they take - then yes.

[Withano]

Originally Posted by Brillopad

If it means keeping them in the classroom and keeping them away from the front line risking their lives for those that don't appreciate the risk they take - then yes.

Well at least youre consistent.
Although, I think its relatively safe to disregard all of your other posts in this thread if you think this is a good idea.

[arista]

Originally Posted by Withano

Should British soldiers learn arabic?

a few do

[Brillopad]

Originally Posted by Withano

Well at least youre consistent.
Although, I think its relatively safe to disregard all of your other posts in this thread if you think this is a good idea.

You clearly have no respect for those that risk their lives for the rest of us. Disregard away, clearly our belief systems are poles apart.

Btw have you given any thought to putting your money where your mouth is. If so, maybe our NHS can survive a little longer.

[Withano]

Originally Posted by arista

a few do

Should all be forced before they work there?

[Withano]

Originally Posted by Brillopad

You clearly have no respect for those that risk their lives for the rest of us.

I think you need to read posts a few times before responding to them. This isnt the first time in the thread you made up an argument.

[Brillopad]

Originally Posted by Withano

I think you need to read posts a few times before responding to them. This isnt the first time in the thread you made up an argument.

Ok what did your comments about British soldiers learning Arabic mean then, because it came across to me as a dig at the soldiers. Please correct me if I am wrong.

[Withano]

Originally Posted by Brillopad

Ok what did your comments about British soldiers learning Arabic mean then, because it came across to me as a dig at the soldiers. Please correct me if I am wrong.

It was a dig at hypocrites who might think it is vital for people to learn English before coming to England, but would also suggest that it isnt vital for British soldiers to learn Arabic. When in reality they can both fulfill their job without learning the language, so it is unnecessary.

Soldiers was the example I used, it can be stretched out to British holiday reps, journalists, TEFL teachers, dancers and actors too. Language comprehension just isnt needed for some jobs and its ridiculous to claim it is, especially if it only works one way.

[Brillopad]

Originally Posted by Withano

It was a dig at hypocrites who might think it is vital for people to learn English before coming to England, but would also suggest that it isnt vital for British soldiers to learn Arabic. When in reality they can both fulfill their job without learning the language, so it is unnecessary.

Soldiers was the example I used, it can be stretched out to British holiday reps, journalists, TEFL teachers, dancers and actors too. Language comprehension just isnt needed for some jobs and its ridiculous to claim it is, especially if it only works one way.

Well I do disagree with the first paragraph, but fair enough. Thanks for the explanation.

[Jake.]

Originally Posted by Withano

Oh right.. So it really was anout nationality all along... Is this one of those 'its not racism, its patriotism' moments.

it was obvious walking into the thread what it was actually going to be about lol

[Brillopad]

Originally Posted by TheLastSantaPuppets

it was obvious walking into the thread what it was actually going to be about lol

Perhaps you should read the response to that comment before being so quick to judge.

[Jamie89]

Originally Posted by RichardG

yeah i guess but i don't understand how people can bare to live somewhere when they can't communicate with the people around them. like, i really want to live in asia but the language barrier would irritate me too much.

Same for me, I was on the bus today and there was a foreign guy trying to ask the bus driver a question but his English was so bad the driver couldn't help him (I couldn't understand what he was asking either), it's just little things like that that must be really difficult day to day (and so of course the big things would be even worse) so I don't think I could do it myself. People make their own choices though and I don't think it should be forced onto anyone.

I actually think there should be a universal language anyway, I don't know exactly how it would come about but if you think about it the only reason we have different languages in the first place is because we weren't able to travel to each others countries. I think one day the idea of different people in the world speaking different languages will seem archaic.

[Withano]

Originally Posted by Sleighmie

Same for me, I was on the bus today and there was a foreign guy trying to ask the bus driver a question but his English was so bad the driver couldn't help him (I couldn't understand what he was asking either), it's just little things like that that must be really difficult day to day (and so of course the big things would be even worse) so I don't think I could do it myself. People make their own choices though and I don't think it should be forced onto anyone.

I actually think there should be a universal language anyway, I don't know exactly how it would come about but if you think about it the only reason we have different languages in the first place is because we weren't able to travel to each others countries. I think one day the idea of different people in the world speaking different languages will seem archaic.

I think people all over the world should learn Lojban. Although I guess theres not many Lojban teachers about!

[Jamie89]

Originally Posted by Withano

I think people all over the world should learn Lojban. Although I guess theres not many Lojban teachers about!

I'd never heard of it but it does sound interesting! It's not the catchiest of names but I'm here for it anyway