[arista]

Transgender Folks must stay Out of UK Jails
sadly 4 have Died



Ref: BBC World News TV 5:42AM

[Wizard.]

Were they murdered or did they commit suicide?

[arista]

Originally Posted by Riley.

Were they murdered or did they commit suicide?

Both I assume

[Livia]

Maybe they could desist from breaking the law, then they wouldn't have to go to prison. It's a radical idea, I know...

[DouglasS]

Originally Posted by Livia

Maybe they could desist from breaking the law, then they wouldn't have to go to prison. It's a radical idea, I know...

Maybe if society was more accepting and they were able to have an upbringing with less abuse they may have felt better about themselves and not feel cornered and they may be less likely to commit crimes. It's a radical idea, I know...

[thesheriff443]

They can keep paedaphiles in separate wings they should be doing the same for trans gender.

[Livia]

Originally Posted by DouglasS

Maybe if society was more accepting and they were able to have an upbringing with less abuse they may have felt better about themselves and not feel cornered and they may be less likely to commit crimes. It's a radical idea, I know...

Here's a bit of shocking news... They are not the only people who have abuse and problems in their life. Or are you trying to say they are entitled to break the law because they have a hard time?

[UserSince2005]

They should be locked up in mental institutions.

[Vicky.]

If this is about the latest 'transgender' suicide...the guy only just started 'identifying' as a woman right after the crime, murdered someone, hasn't had SRS yet expected to go to the female prison.

Also much fuss is being made over the 'high' numbers of transgender suicides whilst ignoring the extremely high number of suicides in general in prisons.

[Denver]

You cant just bypass all laws committed by Trans people because prisons are not safe if they dont commit the crime they wont be punished

[Vicky.]

Originally Posted by thesheriff443

They can keep paedaphiles in separate wings they should be doing the same for trans gender.

I agree with this. Would be best/safer all round.

Disclaimer. This does not mean I think transgender people are paedos.

[thesheriff443]

Originally Posted by Adam.

You cant just bypass all laws committed by Trans people because prisons are not safe if they dont commit the crime they wont be punished

I don't think it's about by passing laws, prisoners with severe mental health problems are Kept in secure hospitals, clearly putting trans gender into male prisons is not working.

[DouglasS]

Originally Posted by Livia

Here's a bit of shocking news... They are not the only people who have abuse and problems in their life. Or are you trying to say they are entitled to break the law because they have a hard time?

Nope, what I'm saying is many LGBT teens are kicked out on the street at 16, and are homeless and see crime as their way out. This happens because they are different and get abuse from uneducated dumb crowds. I don't see how placing transgendered people with these same people who are often the cause of them going into crime is exactly rehabilitation. I'm not saying they should get special treatment, I think they should however be placed in correct/better prisons or even safer places in the prisons, because transgendered people are definitely going to be targetted by the other inmates. [I've had 3 hours sleep, so not very coherent but can't think of the actual word]

[Ninastar]

Originally Posted by Vicky.

I agree with this. Would be best/safer all round.

Disclaimer. This does not mean I think transgender people are paedos.

I am TRIGGERED by this info vicky!!

[Vicky.]

Originally Posted by DouglasS

Nope, what I'm saying is many LGBT teens are kicked out on the street at 16, and are homeless and see crime as their way out. This happens because they are different and get abuse from uneducated dumb crowds. I don't see how placing transgendered people with these same people who are often the cause of them going into crime is exactly rehabilitation. I'm not saying they should get special treatment, I think they should however be placed in correct/better prisons [I've had 3 hours sleep, so not very coherent but can't think of the actual word]

This argument falls apart though unless you also believe gay men should be put somewhere different to male prisons, as they have also been discriminated against and such by the people they are housed with

[Denver]

Originally Posted by thesheriff443

I don't think it's about by passing laws, prisoners with severe mental health problems are Kept in secure hospitals, clearly putting trans gender into male prisons is not working.

But being a murderer you should be given the same sentence as man or woman not going to a mental hospital because you dont feel safe in prison

[Vicky.]

Originally Posted by Ninastar

I am TRIGGERED by this info vicky!!

[Jamie89]

Originally Posted by thesheriff443

They can keep paedaphiles in separate wings they should be doing the same for trans gender.

I think it should certainly be an option for them. I'm all for punishing people who commit crimes but it should be the punishment they are sentenced to, not a punishment dished out by other inmates and that's something trans people are often subjected to. Ideally we wouldn't need this solution but there's no denying the problem exists.

Originally Posted by UserSince2005

They should be locked up in mental institutions.

Why?

Originally Posted by Vicky.

If this is about the latest 'transgender' suicide...the guy only just started 'identifying' as a woman right after the crime, murdered someone, hasn't had SRS yet expected to go to the female prison.

Also much fuss is being made over the 'high' numbers of transgender suicides whilst ignoring the extremely high number of suicides in general in prisons.

It would be interesting to know the stats. The rate of suicides amongst transgender people is far higher than the norm overall but I'm not sure what it is specifically with prisoners.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Our prisons are too full to start making more exceptions, sorry.

[arista]

Originally Posted by thesheriff443

They can keep paedaphiles in separate wings they should be doing the same for trans gender.

No WAY
They do not have the room.

If you are a Trans
Never break the Law
Never go to a UK prison
Stay Alive

[Livia]

Prison suicides by women have soared... rates are high anway, around 150 people a week commit suicide in prison. They're all worthy of attention.

[Denver]

I also agree with Vicky there are loads of deaths in prisons each day but nobody gives a **** about them but because they are trans gendered they are made superior to other inmates and criminals but if the media will make a big deal out of 4 trans people dying then they need to start being fair and letting us know of every criminals death.

[arista]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

Our prisons are too full to start making more exceptions, sorry.

Bang On Right LT.

[Jamie89]

Originally Posted by DouglasS

Nope, what I'm saying is many LGBT teens are kicked out on the street at 16, and are homeless and see crime as their way out. This happens because they are different and get abuse from uneducated dumb crowds. I don't see how placing transgendered people with these same people who are often the cause of them going into crime is exactly rehabilitation. I'm not saying they should get special treatment, I think they should however be placed in correct/better prisons or even safer places in the prisons, because transgendered people are definitely going to be targetted by the other inmates. [I've had 3 hours sleep, so not very coherent but can't think of the actual word]

Yeah, it's more that currently they're getting a far worse treatment than they should be subjected to but by doing something about it, you're ensuring they get the same treatment as other prisoners. It's not offering them a special benefit, it's just ensuring they serve the sentence they've been given for their crimes (which surely is the whole point in the justice system).

[Vicky.]

Of course the answer is separate transgender wings. But separate spaces isn't what is wanted and would be 'othering'. Its a push for them to be housed in the female prison as its 'easier'. I have no issues at all with fully transitioned transwomen going to female prisons. But those with a dick or those who just put on a dress on a saturday night and call themselves trans like we see recently...nope nope nope. Clear danger to the females in prison.