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30-01-2017, 10:06 PM | #51 | |||
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It's a shame Kirk felt he had to leave. He was a character.
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30-01-2017, 10:17 PM | #52 | |||
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30-01-2017, 10:22 PM | #53 | ||
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It's a statement of intent that people will not stand for the civil rights abuses that he has already committed. Whether it's successful or not doesn't matter.
It's kind of odd how people want to protect Trump from the consequences of his actions though, all leaders should be held accountable and the people should be allowed to have their say. This desperation to silence dissenting voices is quite worrying. |
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30-01-2017, 10:34 PM | #54 | |||
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Sure Dezzy Like the China Leader arriving to see Blair and the Queen. there was some protests, but kept away from Cars with the leaders. All these protests Change Nothing Business as Usual Last edited by arista; 30-01-2017 at 10:34 PM. |
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30-01-2017, 10:37 PM | #55 | |||
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30-01-2017, 10:46 PM | #56 | ||
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It seems like a weak way to try to silence someone's opinion in all honesty, you should try to engage in the debate, not try to stifle it. |
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30-01-2017, 11:05 PM | #57 | |||
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Imo the US will have this pause, then introduce a new, stronger checking system for those enterng and then the entering will resume. It's a silly storm in a silly teacup and there are far greater abuses In the world to get upset about.
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30-01-2017, 11:07 PM | #58 | |||
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30-01-2017, 11:10 PM | #59 | |||
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These petitions are bit reactionary, in the true sense of the word. People are seeing something they don't like and then putting their names to something without thinking of the long-term consequences.
Imagine how Trump would react if we did cancel the state visit, having offered it? He would treat it as a major personal snub - we've given state visits to all recent US Presidents - and he would ignore our views even more. He's the President of the United States and we need to co-operate with the US, not just because of the trade deal, but also because we want them to keep committed to NATO, which Trump has threatened before not to do. I saw Malcolm Rifkind on the news earlier and he said that with Trump not having any political experience, and not knowing much about foreign affairs he will be relying on other advisor's opinions to mold his opinions. The British government has to be involved in that to have whatever influence we can. |
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30-01-2017, 11:16 PM | #60 | |||
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30-01-2017, 11:23 PM | #61 | ||
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30-01-2017, 11:35 PM | #62 | |||
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"These petitions are bit reactionary,"
Yes James Nothing is Going to Change. Respect The Law Of The Land June Trump will Fly In Time to sell more Hats.............. |
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31-01-2017, 01:04 AM | #63 | ||
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You could say 'there's bigger problems in the world' about literally ANYTHING and it doesn't change the fact that there's a problem in the first place. Most security experts worth their salt agree that the ban is ineffective. It's just a move to fool gullible people into believing he is doing something useful. All he has achieved is increasing the likelihood of another major terror attack in the future because this ban just gave the extremists ammunition. No security measure that basically paints all Muslims as a threat will ever help combat terrorism. |
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31-01-2017, 01:21 AM | #64 | ||
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31-01-2017, 04:43 AM | #65 | ||
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These type of hysterical protests are as immature and reactionary as that of those they protest against. |
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31-01-2017, 05:21 AM | #66 | ||
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Do I believe what I hear when those that have the nerve to talk of 'stifling free speech' are quite happy to stifle away with abusive comments to others when it suits. Yep I do as that kind of hypocrisy is commonplace in many threads.
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31-01-2017, 06:30 AM | #67 | |||
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Well whoever that is sounds very intelligent and people admire such people
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31-01-2017, 06:57 AM | #68 | |||
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All this rabid anti Trump reaction is bizarre to me when there are bigger fish to fry but as is often the case those with a bee in their bonnet are not listening to other opinions or to common sense. In my view it's about picking your battles and this isn't the right one. Maybe it's because Trump is a 'safe' target.
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31-01-2017, 06:58 AM | #69 | |||
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Good point Kaz.
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31-01-2017, 07:14 AM | #70 | ||
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31-01-2017, 07:35 AM | #71 | ||
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I doubt this petition will change anything other than draw attention to the issue.
For me the offer of the visit was premature. This man in my view is a dangerous President, I'd have been cordial but not so arms open wide to him. |
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31-01-2017, 08:23 AM | #72 | |||
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Trump will enter the UK with the knowledge that he inspired several protests and the 2nd largest petition in UK's history.
Im not sure if he cares yet, he was handed a ****-tonne of power, but his allies are against him, his enemies are against him even more so than before, and half of his own country is against him. His power will subside, and I do believe the UK are among the first of many to send this message.
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31-01-2017, 08:33 AM | #73 | |||
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American Muslims and relatives of American Muslims presently have no voice of their own. We are that voice.
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31-01-2017, 08:47 AM | #74 | ||
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I happen to think exercising your democratic right to protest is highly intelligent, actually. Using the word '****' doesn't negate that, astounded that people think it does. |
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31-01-2017, 09:18 AM | #75 | |||
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