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03-02-2017, 01:25 PM | #126 | |||
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I could probably go into any thread and say 'well that point of view is irrelevant since you don't care about all these other issues relating to the subject at hand so your opinion is invalid.' It's just a lazy way of trying to shut down someone's opinion without dealing with their argument. Last edited by Tom4784; 03-02-2017 at 01:35 PM. |
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03-02-2017, 01:41 PM | #129 | |||
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Putin is a nut job, the Russians hold very different values to us as a society where as the USA in general are quite like us, alot of them are unhappy with how things are in the States atm too. I don't think people protesting about Russia would make any bit of difference but it might do in a democratic and free society like ours. ETA : Basically imo ISIS is succeeding even more than we think by dividing Western society, pitting us all against eachother and destroying the values we spent years building. Trump is an example of this especially, building walls, banning refugees, hang up on other western world leaders, making us enemies rather than allies. In my opinion this is a more successful terrorist attack on our society than any of the bombs they set off
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03-02-2017, 04:27 PM | #130 | |||
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There is absolutely no doubt that Trumps presidency will have a rubbing off effect on the UK; why wouldn't it when the U.S is our biggest ally?
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03-02-2017, 04:31 PM | #131 | |||
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03-02-2017, 05:40 PM | #132 | ||
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03-02-2017, 05:49 PM | #134 | ||
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It's about freedom of choice and validity of opinion so it's relevant.
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03-02-2017, 05:56 PM | #135 | ||
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You're basically just repeating what I've been saying all along... |
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03-02-2017, 06:01 PM | #136 | ||
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It's about the principle not the subject matter. Freedom of choice is freedom of choice - it isn't for some to say they should be able to choose this but others should not be able to choose that.
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03-02-2017, 07:58 PM | #137 | |||
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Once again you attempt to muddy the waters by deferring to other parts of the world those of which you could never consider as part of the free world, or have any cultural connection whatsoever to western cultural norms. So yes, it is just with trump, for the reasons outlined above, there is a duty to remain progressive. .. To accept so readily regressive autocratic decisions from him is funny. No that's the wrong word not funny......horrifying, yes, that's a better word.
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And Trump is a dickhead, I totally buy that. |
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04-02-2017, 12:17 PM | #139 | |||
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I can't speak for everyone who is anti trump etc but that is how I feel about it anyway, I worry that our western society is going backwards or in a direction I don't like
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Why are you basically repeating at me what I've been saying the entire thread?
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Also your post was pretty much summed up in the part I bolded, You weren't saying anything other than the people who oppose Trump should also oppose Russia's actions in Aleppo which was essentially what you were saying in the bolded point, thus speaking about the rest of the post is pointless, it's an example not an argument. |
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04-02-2017, 03:08 PM | #143 | |||
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Fine Lady its good for free trade 8 years of a better way of life. Folks can protest forever it changes nothing. Business is as Usual no fuss is needed. |
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04-02-2017, 03:31 PM | #144 | |||
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04-02-2017, 04:46 PM | #145 | ||
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The Saudis for instance are hardly primitive, they just choose to hide behind it when it suits and the same pretty much applies to the rest of them. When there are plenty of Western mugs out there defending their primitiveness to the hilt they are laughing their stinking sandals off. I thought the general belief in this country was 'ignorance was no defence'. Just one rule for them then. I find that pretty horrifying! Last edited by Brillopad; 04-02-2017 at 04:48 PM. |
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Unless you are interested enough, you won't know about the mass protests against drones in Syria, the anti war coalition or protests against the cruel Indian PM visiting the UK etc, etc, but, at this moment in time, Trump is the hot topic on everyone's lips and that's why this topic is about Trump and not all the other protests that go on in and around parliament.
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04-02-2017, 08:40 PM | #147 | ||
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04-02-2017, 09:18 PM | #148 | ||
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It's not about "not caring about all these other issues". The post you quoted mentioned the 'Stop the war coalition'. An obvious anti-western organisation who have been quoted as saying they "oppose the west" "The real enemy, Mr Nineham informed listeners, is the West: “Everyone who has got a sense of duty for the peace of the planet needs to mobilise everything they can against that and that means opposing the West.” Another quote Take this quote from 2006 by John Rees, the national officer of Stop the War: “Socialists should unconditionally stand with the oppressed against the oppressor [a STW euphemism for the West], even if the people who run the oppressed country are undemocratic and persecute minorities, like Saddam Hussein.” Oh and 'But in the context of STW’s other leaders, siding with Saddam is almost moderate. Its former chair, Andrew Murray, is a proud Stalinist who on the anniversary of his hero’s birth attacked "hack propagandists [who] abominate the name of Stalin beyond all others". Unsurprisingly, he reveres North Korea, and has pointed out that his “basic position of solidarity with People[']s Korea [is] clear”. Many of(not all) these protesters are communist and have anti western views. It's not a lazy argument to point this out.There is a clear agenda with sections of these protests to support anyone who is not on our side. If they're against western involvement in Syria because it is seen as unnecessary killing then why wouldn't they be against Russia who actually are brutally killing civilians and blowing up aid convoys?It's part of the same "issue".Only the worst half of it apparently slips by these people. Everyone rallying against Trump is fine.He is a liability but there is far far worse **** going on that many of these people don't care about or in worse cases (i.e Stop the war) actually support the brutal regimes.So it does appear extremely hypocritical.When we get protests outside the Russian embassy aswell and against the brutal dictators killing people on the daily and against terror attacks on western soil then maybe anti Trump protests won't look so hypocritical. https://www.google.co.uk/amp/www.tel...?client=safari |
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04-02-2017, 09:30 PM | #150 | ||
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Stop The war Coalition showing great support and solidarity for the victims of the Paris attacks -
Green MP Caroline Lucas has quit as patron of the controversial Stop the War Coalition after the group claimed Paris had “reaped the whirlwind of western support for extremist violence in Middle East”. This statement was put out right after the attacks http://m.huffpost.com/uk/entry/8748250 Last edited by Northern Monkey; 04-02-2017 at 09:31 PM. |
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