[Northern Monkey]

Originally Posted by Cherie

Great post Jaxie, the way people are being pidgeon holed is ridiculous, I said recently my political leanings are in the middle and I was told I had splinters on my arse, I'd rather that, and I'd rather be able to see the positives from the right and the left than be leaning so far one way or the other to be practically hanging off the edge.

Don't worry i've got splinters in my arse too.
I honestly don't know who i'd vote for now in a GE.I need Labour to get a sensible leader.I'm in no mans land.I like parts of what the Tories stand for and i like parts of Corbyns vision but the last couple of times i've found myself identifying mostly with UKIP.The Lib Dems are dead to me.I honestly can't see me voting next GE.

[MTVN]

I can understand the sentiment but it doesn't really make sense to petition a government for something that is going to happen already. It's not like this is just seeking expressions of support for the visit - the whole point of a petition is that you are asking the government to do something. It's got enough signatures now for Parliament to debate it but what are they going to debate exactly? The only thing they can do is repeat the debate that they will already have after the first petition.

The wording/spelling/grammar really needs to be sorted out as well:

Donald Trump should be invited to make an official State Visit because he is the leader of a free world and U.K. is a country that supports free speech and does not believe that people that appose our point of view should be gagged.

[jaxie]

Originally Posted by Northern Monkey

Don't worry i've got splinters in my arse too.
I honestly don't know who i'd vote for now in a GE.I need Labour to get a sensible leader.I'm in no mans land.I like parts of what the Tories stand for and i like parts of Corbyns vision but the last couple of times i've found myself identifying mostly with UKIP.The Lib Dems are dead to me.I honestly can't see me voting next GE.

I'm in a similar place. We should be able to support Labour but they have completely lost their way in my view.

[Shaun]

Originally Posted by MTVN

I can understand the sentiment but it doesn't really make sense to petition a government for something that is going to happen already.

Pretty much sums up my view on this too.

[Brillopad]

Originally Posted by Alf

You're welcome.

He has a chat/debate show on YT called The Rubin report, where he does one on one interviews/debates with some good opinionated political commentators.

Very informative video - quite eye opening In many ways.

[DemolitionRed]

Originally Posted by Cherie

I don't think I have ever read one of your blogs, I don't even know where the blogs are I think it might have been Kizzy said it

Hehe ok

I wrote a blog called 'Fence Sitting' and it went something like...
You know what happens when you sit on the fence? You get splinters in your arse and less chance to choose which side you land.

The view from the fence is usually pretty good, you can see both sides evenly. But it is sometimes uncomfortable as it forces you to examine your own beliefs as well as the beliefs of others.

It is far easier to jump off the fence to one side and then hate those on the other side, rather than it is to search for co-operation and compromise between...


Edited to add: I wish I was more of a fence sitter. Its hard work on this side of the fence!

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by DemolitionRed

Hehe ok

I wrote a blog called 'Fence Sitting' and it went something like...
You know what happens when you sit on the fence? You get splinters in your arse and less chance to choose which side you land.

The view from the fence is usually pretty good, you can see both sides evenly. But it is sometimes uncomfortable as it forces you to examine your own beliefs as well as the beliefs of others.

It is far easier to jump off the fence to one side and then hate those on the other side, rather than it is to search for co-operation and compromise between...


Edited to add: I wish I was more of a fence sitter. Its hard work on this side of the fence!

I found it after you mentioned it, a good read DR

[DemolitionRed]

Originally Posted by Cherie

I found it after you mentioned it, a good read DR

Thanks

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by Livia

Sign the petition to support Trump's visit.

https://petition.parliament.uk/petitions/178844

Where were the protests and petitions when Robert Mugabe had a state visit? And what about China? They have Human Rights abuses going back into history. There was a small protest but nothing on this scale.

We export more stuff to the US than to any other country. While that doesn't mean we should put up with any crap from the US, it does mean that we should think long and hard before we let a minority of people sour any kind of relationship with the US. Trump will not be president forevever, we should keep ourselves in a position to have a word when we don't agree with something instead of alienating ourselves completely ourselves.

I agree.

I don't like the man at all but have decided not to vote on either petition.

I do think the State visit offer is premature but let him come, see the demonstrations.

Hopefully he will also be told by our PM and govt. along with other UK parties of the far less acceptable policies he advocates.

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by Cherie

Great post Jaxie, the way people are being pidgeon holed is ridiculous, I said recently my political leanings are in the middle and I was told I had splinters on my arse, I'd rather that, and I'd rather be able to see the positives from the right and the left than be leaning so far one way or the other to be practically hanging off the edge.

Yep that would be me, it was a tongue in cheek remark, no need to get all triggered snowflake

I'm not 'far left' either, so if I have to be pigeonholed so do you.. balance and all that.

We have 'entertained' some questionable leaders, how many were western?

As if anyone is surprised there's a trump loving underbelly in the UK, theres one literally on my doorstep :/

Some people are claiming that people who voted to leave didn’t know what they were voting for, Stuart Andrew, Tory MP for Pudsey says. That shows some complete arrogance and real misunderstanding of people’s concerns and frustrations, he says.

Claims that people voted to leave out of racism or prejudice really angered him. “That is frankly disgraceful,” he says. “We are not little Englanders. We are now big Britainers.”




https://www.theguardian.com/politics...-politics-live

[Liberty4eva]

This petition thing is silly. A part of me wants to see the uk parliament ban trump. Do you know what he'll do? He will ban all the all members who voted for it from the usa. Now that would be hillarious.

[Kizzy]

Better get his red pen out then...

https://www.theguardian.com/politics...-sign-petition

[Tom4784]

Originally Posted by Liberty4eva

This petition thing is silly. A part of me wants to see the uk parliament ban trump. Do you know what he'll do? He will ban all the all members who voted for it from the usa. Now that would be hillarious.

I'm sure it'll be deeply upsetting to be banned from the US for the few months Trump will be in office.

[Brillopad]

Originally Posted by DemolitionRed

But there's going to be a lot more than that by the month of May.

If you say something enough times maybe you will actually believe it - not sure about the rest of us.

[Ashley.]

As much as I dislike the self-righteous prat, I'm anything but petty, and will not be signing petitions to spite Trump OR those trying to oppose him.

And yes, 1.5 million have signed that petition thus far, presumably more now... But 60 million haven't. Surely that in itself is evidence enough without the need for a second petition.

[Kazanne]

Originally Posted by Liberty4eva

This petition thing is silly. A part of me wants to see the uk parliament ban trump. Do you know what he'll do? He will ban all the all members who voted for it from the usa. Now that would be hillarious.

My brother lives in America Liberty,they better not ban me I am happy for Trump to come after all we've let in much worse.

[Withano]

Originally Posted by Kazanne

My brother lives in America Liberty,they better not ban me I am happy for Trump to come after all we've let in much worse.

@MarcONeil

[susie q]

Originally Posted by joeysteele

I agree.

I don't like the man at all but have decided not to vote on either petition.

I do think the State visit offer is premature but let him come, see the demonstrations.

Hopefully he will also be told by our PM and govt. along with other UK parties of the far less acceptable policies he advocates.

This is my position too. I dont understand why it was necessary to bring him over so soon, other presidents have nearly always been a year or two into their first term in office before their first visit. I would far rather that government had continued to concentrate on Brexit, not only from the economic side of things but also other issues such as the environment and national security, and I do think that Trump, could well have contributed to an increase in ISIS recruitment. Personally I would have been happier if the visit was offered for a later date. But I will not be signing either of the petitions, because it would be futile, and it would be good for both Trump and our government to see that not all of us support his policies.

[Alf]

Ignore the haters Donnie-boy, most of us are very hospitable in this country, it's just a few bad eggs.

[Vicky.]

Originally Posted by Amy Jade

I haven't signed either but I don't see much of a problem with him visiting us?

This..plus all those petitions do is get stuff talked about in parliament right? Well May has already decided this is happening, so surely the 'debate' will be one maybe 2 SNP members protesting and that will be it..it will still happen. Unless I am misunderstanding the petitions of course.

[Vicky.]

Originally Posted by Cherie

Great post Jaxie, the way people are being pidgeon holed is ridiculous, I said recently my political leanings are in the middle and I was told I had splinters on my arse, I'd rather that, and I'd rather be able to see the positives from the right and the left than be leaning so far one way or the other to be practically hanging off the edge.

I tend to be quite left on a lot of issues, but tbh as a whole I flip flop around on stuff. Some of my views on stuff would horrify 'lefties' whilst others would rile 'righties'. So yeah...I actually cannot imagine being completely right or left. Though I have been accused of being both far right and far left...its a bit daft

[Brillopad]

Originally Posted by Vicky.

I tend to be quite left on a lot of issues, but tbh as a whole I flip flop around on stuff. Some of my views on stuff would horrify 'lefties' whilst others would rile 'righties'. So yeah...I actually cannot imagine being completely right or left. Though I have been accused of being both far right and far left...its a bit daft

What a nice honest post. Did make me laugh at the end there.

[the truth]

263000 want trump to come, not a bad total in just 2 days

[DemolitionRed]

Originally Posted by Alf

Ignore the haters Donnie-boy, most of us are very hospitable in this country, it's just a few bad eggs.

You're only saying that because you agree... even like what Trump is doing. The reason I protest is, I hate what he's doing and I want to send a clear message to Farage and May that Britain would never stand for this sort of nonsense.

You may think I'm wrong but for a Brit, you're in the minority.

[Alf]

Originally Posted by DemolitionRed

You're only saying that because you agree... even like what Trump is doing. The reason I protest is, I hate what he's doing and I want to send a clear message to Farage and May that Britain would never stand for this sort of nonsense.

You may think I'm wrong but for a Brit, you're in the minority.

How about you protest for me then?