[Livia]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

You quoted me, I was just being polite.

Haha... right.

[Brillopad]

Originally Posted by Jamie89

He's working/volunteering in a public place, it's not other people's responsibility to make sure they don't hear him, it's his responsibility to make sure that he isn't heard (if he did make racist remarks, or better still just not make them in the first place).

We don't even know any remarks he did make were 'racist' as it is often about perception and over sensitivity from some.

If most were as sensitive as a minority seem to be we would not have put up with Islamic preachers spouting their hate on British streets. In any Islamic country anyone doing that wouldn't have lived to tell the tale.

You cannot police opinion simply because it doesn't agree with your own.

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by Livia

Haha... right.

Left

[Livia]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

Left

Are we marching?

[LeatherTrumpet]

I think it perhaps boils down to


Fred: I think we need tighter controls on immigration as too many are arriving at the moment and we have no idea who they are or in what number?


Marjorie: You vile nazi racist brexit pig i am going to report you for a hate crime

[Kizzy]

Or .... it's silly click bait and I don't know why I'm wasting my time discussing it.

[Jamie89]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

of course it is, if i am in a public place i of course try at all times not to listen to private convos, its normal

Hearing someone make a remark is a bit different to intentionally trying to listen into a private conversation. You can't stop yourself from hearing something

Originally Posted by Brillopad

We don't even know any remarks he did make were 'racist' as it is often about perception and over sensitivity from some.

If most were as sensitive as a minority seem to be we would not have put up with Islamic preachers spouting their hate on British streets. In any Islamic country anyone doing that wouldn't have lived to tell the tale.

You cannot police opinion simply because it doesn't agree with your own.

That's true but I was just commenting on the principle of what you were saying more than anything else, if he's working for a company (even if it's not paid) he's representing them and anything he says will impact the company's reputation, so if he wants to make racist remarks, and especially if they're 'loud offensive remarks', then he shouldn't be doing it while in that position. You say you can't police opinion but that's not what's happened, he's entitled to his opinion but the company have a right to manage how they're perceived, if his opinion is bigoted then he just needs to make sure he's not voicing it while he's representing them.

[LeatherTrumpet]

Originally Posted by Jamie89

Hearing someone make a remark is a bit different to intentionally trying to listen into a private conversation. You can't stop yourself from hearing something
.

Yes but most people know that as the conversation is not for them that they may be missing the context etc

Its not like a drunk woman on a bus shouting death to ***** to the whole bus for 10 minutes

[Toy Soldier]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

I think it perhaps boils down to


Fred: I think we need tighter controls on immigration as too many are arriving at the moment and we have no idea who they are or in what number?


Marjorie: You vile nazi racist brexit pig i am going to report you for a hate crime

Or a clockwinding old fart has been reading the tabloids every morning and was understandably mislead into thinking that "racism is OK again hooray!" and felt bolstered to sound off in public, whilst acting as a representative of a larger body (paid or otherwise), to stroke his prejudice.

[LeatherTrumpet]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

Or a clockwinding old fart has been reading the tabloids every morning and was understandably mislead into thinking that "racism is OK again hooray!" and felt bolstered to sound off in public, whilst acting as a representative of a larger body (paid or otherwise), to stroke his prejudice.

unlikely as the Trust has said zero in its defence when asked by many media agencies. We have the account of the man and to date not one single person including the person who reported him have come forward with any alternatives to what the man said

[Tom4784]

I refuse to believe his version of events, If he actually said what he said then no one would have cared. He obviously said something way worse, got caught out and has now run off to the DM to get sympathy from people who are desperate for reasons to complain about political correctness and how they can't be openly racist without judgement any more.

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

unlikely as the Trust has said zero in its defence when asked by many media agencies. We have the account of the man and to date not one single person including the person who reported him have come forward with any alternatives to what the man said

'Members of the trust interviewed a number of witnesses about the incident and decided to ban Mr Walker from those parts of the station it operates and rents from Network Rail.

The trust said Mr Walker, who the trust claims refused to attend the meeting at which his fate was decided, has since refused to wind the clock up.

“Mr Walker has been given the right to go into the station to get the tools to maintain the clock without having to go into trust buildings and he is not doing it,” said Mr Crowther. “The clock not being wound up is his personal decision and nothing to do with the trust.”

[Toy Soldier]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

'Members of the trust interviewed a number of witnesses about the incident and decided to ban Mr Walker from those parts of the station it operates and rents from Network Rail.

The trust said Mr Walker, who the trust claims refused to attend the meeting at which his fate was decided, has since refused to wind the clock up.

“Mr Walker has been given the right to go into the station to get the tools to maintain the clock without having to go into trust buildings and he is not doing it,” said Mr Crowther. “The clock not being wound up is his personal decision and nothing to do with the trust.”

Wanted free reign to "air his (racist) views". Wasn't allowed. Threw tantrum.

Sounds about right for a snowflake DM reader.

[Jamie89]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

Yes but most people know that as the conversation is not for them that they may be missing the context etc

Its not like a drunk woman on a bus shouting death to ***** to the whole bus for 10 minutes

And most people watch what they say in public places for that same reason, but if it happens that a racist remark is made and someone overhears it and is offended, then it's not the fault of the person who heard it, it's the fault of the person who said it.

[Brillopad]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

Wanted free reign to "air his (racist) views". Wasn't allowed. Threw tantrum.

Sounds about right for a snowflake DM reader.

Where's that roll eyes smilie when you want it!!!

[LeatherTrumpet]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

Wanted free reign to "air his (racist) views". Wasn't allowed. Threw tantrum.

Sounds about right for a snowflake DM reader.

how do you know which newspaper he takes?

[Toy Soldier]

Originally Posted by Brillopad

Where's that roll eyes smilie when you want it!!!

... No idea where the smilie you're looking for is though.

[Toy Soldier]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

how do you know which newspaper he takes?

I know a DM reader when I see one, he just has that sort of face.

[LeatherTrumpet]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

I know a DM reader when I see one, he just has that sort of face.

He is probably a nazi too, that clock has a very Germanic look

[Livia]

I do hope that if I'm ever tried by jury, no one from TiBB is ever serving. I hate it when people make conclusions with absolutely nothing to go on but a bit of hearsay in a newspaper, and that's enough to damn anyone apparently. Already this man has been tried, found guilty and is on the way to the metaphorical gallows.

"I'm offended" is fast becoming the national motto.

[Brillopad]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

I think it perhaps boils down to


Fred: I think we need tighter controls on immigration as too many are arriving at the moment and we have no idea who they are or in what number?


Marjorie: You vile nazi racist brexit pig i am going to report you for a hate crime

Sounds about right.

[Northern Monkey]

Originally Posted by Livia

I do hope that if I'm ever tried by jury, no one from TiBB is ever serving. I hate it when people make conclusions with absolutely nothing to go on but a bit of hearsay in a newspaper, and that's enough to damn anyone apparently. Already this man has been tried, found guilty and is on the way to the metaphorical gallows.

"I'm offended" is fast becoming the national motto.

I think it's the millennial motto of the west tbh.Not just Britain.

[Toy Soldier]

Originally Posted by Livia

I do hope that if I'm ever tried by jury, no one from TiBB is ever serving. I hate it when people make conclusions with absolutely nothing to go on but a bit of hearsay in a newspaper, and that's enough to damn anyone apparently. Already this man has been tried, found guilty and is on the way to the metaphorical gallows.

"I'm offended" is fast becoming the national motto.

Yet amazingly, you have absolutely NO problem with LT branding the others involved "vile" and intimating that they are liars, based on... What was it... Oh. Not even a bit of hearsay in a newspaper. Absolutely nothing in fact.

[LeatherTrumpet]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

Yet amazingly, you have absolutely NO problem with LT branding the others involved "vile" and intimating that they are liars, based on... What was it... Oh. Not even a bit of hearsay in a newspaper. Absolutely nothing in fact.

incorrect its is the actual statement from the poor accused Clockwinder


so not hearsay but from the very mouth of the innocent 71 year old man

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Livia

I do hope that if I'm ever tried by jury, no one from TiBB is ever serving. I hate it when people make conclusions with absolutely nothing to go on but a bit of hearsay in a newspaper, and that's enough to damn anyone apparently. Already this man has been tried, found guilty and is on the way to the metaphorical gallows.

"I'm offended" is fast becoming the national motto.

To be fair though the same can equally be said for those supporting the man one of which actually started this thread and opened it up for discussion and reached his conclusions about what was or was not said