[Shaun]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

interesting that this has not been picked up by mainstream media...

A quick Google shows me he's all over Swedish media. Which makes sense since...it's a Swedish issue.

He raises some good points though and the more some of us ignore him and pretend this doesn't happen the more the ignorant and the bigoted can exploit this for their own gains.

Whilst the issue of immigration is touchy, particularly now, it does seem both sides of the fence are arguing from impossible extremes. On one side: ban all Muslims and try to pretend you aren't a bit racist. On the other, continue to allow free movement and post a sad face when a truck plows through a Christmas market.

It's just not an issue I see an answer to: vetting for terrorism does not seem to work, if it's at all possible. I know there's a huge stigma about the police searching our own Internet histories and private messages like email, and rightly so since its intrusive and contradictive to the freedom we pride ourselves on, but perhaps those looking to migrate elsewhere should have theirs checked beforehand since the issue of citizenship naturally throws up all sorts of "do their values match ours?" questions. I don't know if this is even something looked at - in my head vetting migrants is a search of their luggage and maybe an interrogation on the spot. What is done about migrants' history (beyond the criminal record)?

[Northern Monkey]

Originally Posted by Withano

Where?

The last two New Years Eve's for a start

[Brillopad]

Originally Posted by Withano

Says who? You? Some blokes facebook post?

I'll take his Facebook post over your tibb post - no contest!

[Northern Monkey]

Originally Posted by Shaun

A quick Google shows me he's all over Swedish media. Which makes sense since...it's a Swedish issue.

He raises some good points though and the more some of us ignore him and pretend this doesn't happen the more the ignorant and the bigoted can exploit this for their own gains.

Whilst the issue of immigration is touchy, particularly now, it does seem both sides of the fence are arguing from impossible extremes. On one side: ban all Muslims and try to pretend you aren't a bit racist. On the other, continue to allow free movement and post a sad face when a truck plows through a Christmas market.

It's just not an issue I see an answer to: vetting for terrorism does not seem to work, if it's at all possible. I know there's a huge stigma about the police searching our own Internet histories and private messages like email, and rightly so since its intrusive and contradictive to the freedom we pride ourselves on, but perhaps those looking to migrate elsewhere should have theirs checked beforehand since the issue of citizenship naturally throws up all sorts of "do their values match ours?" questions. I don't know if this is even something looked at - in my head vetting migrants is a search of their luggage and maybe an interrogation on the spot. What is done about migrants' history (beyond the criminal record)?

Good points in this post.I think a major part of why vetting migrants is extremely hard in Europe is because they don't have a clue who's actually in their countries.There are masses getting in daily and many of them destroy their documents so they can claim to be refugees.
I agree with you that this problem can't be ignored or vehemently refuted as false just to take the tolerant position and look 'progressive'.It needs sorting and i'm not one to say 'ban all muslims' etc.I believe there should be a sensible procedure for getting actual refugees processed and found places to live.However the illegal people smugglers need to be deterred.

[Tom4784]

Must be a slow news day if the rantings of a bigot is considered news.

[Brillopad]

Originally Posted by Dezzy

Must be a slow news day if the rantings of a bigot is considered news.

Change the record.

[Withano]

Originally Posted by Brillopad

I'll take his Facebook post over your tibb post - no contest!

Im not making wild and unsourced claims. Blindly accepting any rightwing view, without a source or an ounce of evidence mutes your argument, you should avoid this is future to be taken seriously.

[Tom4784]

Originally Posted by Brillopad

Change the record.

No. I think I'll continue sharing my opinion of this bigot (why is this even a story?). He'll probably be an unemployed bigot before long though and it serves the bigot right for being an idiot....and a bigot.

[Brillopad]

Originally Posted by Withano

Im not making wild and unsourced claims. Blindly accepting any rightwing view, without a source or an ounce of evidence mutes your argument, you should avoid this is future to be taken seriously.

His views are based on experience and are considerably more valid than your wild and unsourced attack on his credibility. Blindly accepting left wing views are no more advisable.

[LeatherTrumpet]

Immigration and crime is not news? A time served veteran copper makes an impassioned statement in a country where immigration is front page news. This isn't news?

Wow

Just wow

[Brillopad]

Originally Posted by Dezzy

No. I think I'll continue sharing my opinion of this bigot (why is this even a story?). He'll probably be an unemployed bigot before long though and it serves the bigot right for being an idiot....and a bigot.

Think I missed that, can you elaborate without fear of repeating yourself. On second thoughts ...

[Withano]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

Immigration and crime is not news? A time served veteran copper makes an impassioned statement in a country where immigration is front page news. This isn't news?

Wow

Just wow

Its a facebook rant, calm down. It isnt new, it isnt viral, it didnt say anything a thousand other angry voices have said, its just a silly little rant, it isnt news. You basically said so yourself

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

interesting that this has not been picked up by mainstream media...

[Withano]

Originally Posted by Brillopad

His views are based on experience and are considerably more valid than your wild and unsourced attack on his credibility. Blindly accepting left wing views are no more advisable.

"I know you are but what am I"

Good one.

Doesnt really work when, in this thread, you're loudly appeciating unsourced claims made on a blokes Facebook status. Probably the least credible source TiBB has made to date.

We can both agree that if a guy who worked as a cop for 48 years wrote on his Facebook wall that he never arrested an immigrant ever - it wouldnt be a reliable source. It wouldnt be news, it would be a silly rant, an unsourced leftwing rant that nobody should take seriously. Same difference. (Thats where blind acceptance is relatable to you and not both of us)

[jennyjuniper]

Originally Posted by Dezzy

No. I think I'll continue sharing my opinion of this bigot (why is this even a story?). He'll probably be an unemployed bigot before long though and it serves the bigot right for being an idiot....and a bigot.

How is telling the truth being a bigot? As a policeman, this man surely has a better idea of the crime statistics than you or I. It's been proven time and again, not just in Scandinavia, but other European countries too, that crime statistics increase when there is an influx of immigrants to an area.
I don't care if i am labelled a bigot or a racist, because I really do want to see an end to muslim immigration.

[VanessaFeltz.]

They should take the immigrants after they know that these people can adapt to the society and its values.

For example there are millions of people here in Turkey have the same values as the people in Europe and they would be assets to the european society.

As for others, all countries should've sent some soldiers to syria and defeat isis/esad. Taking millions of people will not help to find a solution.

[Toy Soldier]

When the police have totalhavererat etc etc because of the fact that Sweden always lived on the myth of prudes ultimate society who have osinnliga resources to be at the forefront when it comes to be the only politically correct option in a dysfunctional world that beats Knot on their own destructive behaviour in different name of...

... That's when you know things have gotten really bad.

[LeatherTrumpet]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

When the police have totalhavererat etc etc because of the fact that Sweden always lived on the myth of prudes ultimate society who have osinnliga resources to be at the forefront when it comes to be the only politically correct option in a dysfunctional world that beats Knot on their own destructive behaviour in different name of...

... That's when you know things have gotten really bad.