[LeatherTrumpet]

• Donald Trump has been invited for state visit to the UK this spring or summer
• John Bercow said he would deny Trump honour of Westminster Hall speech
• Commons Speaker railed at 'racism' and backed an 'independent judiciary'
• Many MPs cheered and applauded his intervention in the chamber last night
• But Bercow faces backlash from critics who say he has undermined neutral role
• Tory MPs accuse him of 'grandstanding' and are considering no confidence vote

John Bercow is facing a desperate battle to hang on to his job amid a major backlash over his 'grandstanding' decision to ban Donald Trump from addressing parliament.

Furious Tory MPs are considering forcing a vote of no confidence in the Speaker after an extraordinary intervention in which he branded the US President 'racist and sexist' and said he would not authorise the use of historic Westminster Hall during the impending state visit.

But there is a mounting backlash from politicians condemning Mr Bercow for abandoning the Speaker's traditional neutrality and wading into international politics.

Tory backbencher Alec Shelbrooke accused Mr Bercow of 'grandstanding' and 'student politics of the worst kind'.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...Trump-ban.html


The Daily Telegraph says today: John Bercow does not speak for Britain, just for his own monstrous ego

excellent article about this here: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/opinion/2...monstrous-ego/

[Livia]

Ridiculous little man... with a ridiculous wife.

[Withano]

Fighting for something you passionately believe in is probs the best way to lose your job (he wont lose his job).

[Livia]

He wasn't that passionate when the Kuwaiti delegation visited. Maybe they didn't have a bandwagon.

[Withano]

Originally Posted by Livia

He wasn't that passionate when the Kuwaiti delegation visited. Maybe they didn't have a bandwaggon.

I cant talk on his behalf, but his speech sounded as if the UK and the USA's previous/current relationship held a key part in his mindset. I guess injustice from an acquaintance is easier to take than injustice from a friend.

[Livia]

Originally Posted by Withano

I cant talk on his behalf, but his speech sounded as if the UK and the USA's previous/current relationship held a key part in his mindset. I guess injustice from an acquaintance is easier to take than injustice from a friend.

Kuwait is not our friend? We went to war for Kuwait in 1990.

The speaker is not supposed to use his professional platform for personal political messages.

[Withano]

Originally Posted by Livia

Kuwait is not our friend? We went to war for Kuwait in 1990.

The speaker is not supposed to use his professional platform for personal political messages.

I was saying Kuwait was an acquaintance, and their injustice is easier to take than America's (our friend).

[Livia]

Originally Posted by Withano

I was saying Kuwait was an acquaintance, and their injustice is easier to take than America's (our friend).

I'm not sure I follow your logic here. Is it someone's right to use their parliamentary position to speak out on a personal issue, if he considers the country "our friend"? That's not really how politics works.

John Bercow is on his last warning I reckon... May should sack him. Today.

[Livia]

"Politically impartial

Speakers must be politically impartial. Therefore, on election the new Speaker must resign from their political party and remain separate from political issues even in retirement. However, the Speaker will deal with their constituents' problems like a normal MP."

http://www.parliament.uk/business/co...f-the-speaker/

[Toy Soldier]

It's a tough one. I personally think that if he feels Trump's presence would be significantly disruptive in the HoC (and let's face it, it might be) then it could technically be considered within his role to not allow it to happen.

On the other hand, his explicit reasoning is NOT that and he is citing his own personal opinions of Trump. Now, I *do* happen to agree with him on those opinions... however... I can't pretend that this represent political impartiality and that is quite clearly listed as being one of the fundamental aspects of the role. Essentially, in regards to his opinions, he agreed to keep his mouth shut when he took on a job that specifically requires neutrality.

I do however think he needs to be reminded of that and given the opportunity to reign it in. "May should sack him today" is reactionary and would be, to me, a frankly worrying echo of Trump's tendency to simply "get rid of people" when they disagree with him politically. He's done it more than once already and he's been in office for only a few weeks. A leader surrounding themselves with "yes men" to achieve their ends is not a good sign.

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

It's a tough one. I personally think that if he feels Trump's presence would be significantly disruptive in the HoC (and let's face it, it might be) then it could technically be considered within his role to not allow it to happen.

On the other hand, his explicit reasoning is NOT that and he is citing his own personal opinions of Trump. Now, I *do* happen to agree with him on those opinions... however... I can't pretend that this represent political impartiality and that is quite clearly listed as being one of the fundamental aspects of the role. Essentially, in regards to his opinions, he agreed to keep his mouth shut when he took on a job that specifically requires neutrality.

I do however think he needs to be reminded of that and given the opportunity to reign it in. "May should sack him today" is reactionary and would be, to me, a frankly worrying echo of Trump's tendency to simply "get rid of people" when they disagree with him politically. He's done it more than once already and he's been in office for only a few weeks. A leader surrounding themselves with "yes men" to achieve their ends is not a good sign.

By the same token a leader shouldn't allow a colleague to embarrass them publically in this way, PM's questions will be a must view on Wednesday.

[LeatherTrumpet]

I am still trying to work out how President Trump has been racist and Sexist since he took the pledge?

[Northern Monkey]

Oh.....

Youtube video

[Toy Soldier]

Originally Posted by Cherie

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By the same token a leader shouldn't allow a colleague to embarrass them publically in this way, PM's questions will be a must view on Wednesday.

T. May is not the speaker's "boss"...

[Kazanne]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

• Donald Trump has been invited for state visit to the UK this spring or summer
• John Bercow said he would deny Trump honour of Westminster Hall speech
• Commons Speaker railed at 'racism' and backed an 'independent judiciary'
• Many MPs cheered and applauded his intervention in the chamber last night
• But Bercow faces backlash from critics who say he has undermined neutral role
• Tory MPs accuse him of 'grandstanding' and are considering no confidence vote

John Bercow is facing a desperate battle to hang on to his job amid a major backlash over his 'grandstanding' decision to ban Donald Trump from addressing parliament.

Furious Tory MPs are considering forcing a vote of no confidence in the Speaker after an extraordinary intervention in which he branded the US President 'racist and sexist' and said he would not authorise the use of historic Westminster Hall during the impending state visit.

But there is a mounting backlash from politicians condemning Mr Bercow for abandoning the Speaker's traditional neutrality and wading into international politics.

Tory backbencher Alec Shelbrooke accused Mr Bercow of 'grandstanding' and 'student politics of the worst kind'.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...Trump-ban.html


The Daily Telegraph says today: John Bercow does not speak for Britain, just for his own monstrous ego

excellent article about this here: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/opinion/2...monstrous-ego/

So he should !!! people like him just make things worse.

[Northern Monkey]

Bercow should be building bridges not walls

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

T. May is not the speaker's "boss"...

She is the PM she is everyone's boss

[Toy Soldier]

Originally Posted by Cherie

She is the PM she is everyone's boss

She is a public servant, everyone is her boss

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by Northern Monkey

Bercow should be building bridges not walls

Yeah that's trumps job...

The speaker of the house speaks for parliament and the people not the government.

[LeatherTrumpet]

This new dangerous trend from the left to shut down people from speaking is indeed worrying. The silly petitions, the milo thing, trump in the commons and KIzzy wanting to ban newspapers she dislikes

The left and liberals have taken such a pasting over the last 5 years literally losing every vote and argument that comes their way and with labour now a shadow of itsself I think all they have left is to just try and shut things down now they dont like?

[DemolitionRed]

Originally Posted by Livia

John Bercow is on his last warning I reckon... May should sack him. Today.

The speaker has announced Donald Trump will not be permitted to talk in the Houses of Parliament and that's the end of it. There is no motion to be tabled, nothing to be voted on, John Bercrow is the Speaker, if he says Donald Trump ain't coming there, he ain't coming there.

I don't think people get how much power Bercow actually has. He has authority to refuse to allow guests to speak, and remember that nobody has an automatic right to speak in the House of Commons, especially foreign leaders who were not elected by the British public.

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

This new dangerous trend from the left to shut down people from speaking is indeed worrying. The silly petitions, the milo thing, trump in the commons and KIzzy wanting to ban newspapers she dislikes

The left and liberals have taken such a pasting over the last 5 years literally losing every vote and argument that comes their way and with labour now a shadow of itsself I think all they have left is to just try and shut things down now they dont like?

I have an issue with regressive propaganda.. so sue me.

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by DemolitionRed

The speaker has announced Donald Trump will not be permitted to talk in the Houses of Parliament and that's the end of it. There is no motion to be tabled, nothing to be voted on, John Bercrow is the Speaker, if he says Donald Trump ain't coming there, he ain't coming there.

I don't think people get how much power Bercow actually has. He has authority to refuse to allow guests to speak, and remember that nobody has an automatic right to speak in the House of Commons, especially foreign leaders who were not elected by the British public.

I don't think that is the issue here at all, its Bercow's lack of consistency in who he condemns and also the tiny part of his job that requires him to be a neutral

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by DemolitionRed

The speaker has announced Donald Trump will not be permitted to talk in the Houses of Parliament and that's the end of it. There is no motion to be tabled, nothing to be voted on, John Bercrow is the Speaker, if he says Donald Trump ain't coming there, he ain't coming there.

I don't think people get how much power Bercow actually has. He has authority to refuse to allow guests to speak, and remember that nobody has an automatic right to speak in the House of Commons, especially foreign leaders who were not elected by the British public.

Or the qween, not even princess trump is sovereign in there

[DemolitionRed]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

Or the qween, not even princess trump is sovereign in there

Hmm well perhaps she will invite him for tea. She does entertain all sorts of **** at Buckingham Palace, Mugabee of Zimbabwee, former tyrants of Romania etc. The Queens family themselves went over to flirt with Hitler in the 1930s and gaze at him lovingly.