[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by arista

Of course its Hypocrisy - to your way of thinking
with respect


These Left Wing Activist's
are becoming Fascist , as they will stop Speakers.
But all Educated people at the University
want a fair debate - not it BLOCKED at the gate
Dezzy.

Hang on, aren't the students not wanting the speakers educated?

[Tom4784]

Originally Posted by arista

No Left Wingers can Come and Debate, no problem,
Corbyn
is on MY LIST

These protesters have a right to protest, they are not infringing on anyone's freedom of speech but you seem happy to deny them theirs'.

[arista]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

Hang on, aren't the students not wanting the speakers educated?

If they want to say that - fine

But Do Not Stop Speakers
thats I have listed on my first post.

The LibDem leader is on my list
he is Fully Educated, for example

[arista]

Originally Posted by Dezzy

These protesters have a right to protest, they are not infringing on anyone's freedom of speech but you seem happy to deny them theirs'.

Dezzy Protests are Fine
so long as they are Not Violent,
or Criminal.
Protest away.

This thread is not about Protests
its about Left Wing Activists stopping
Free Speech.


You are Wrong Dezzy
I want Left and Right on the panel
at a Public Debate in the University


At a University
Free Speech is Essential
that's a FACT

[Kizzy]

We've heard from the students who don't want these speakers...where are the ones who do?

[reece(:]

Right wing activists are the ones wanting to stop free speech

[arista]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

We've heard from the students who don't want these speakers...where are the ones who do?

On all the TV debates
and Radio debates,


In a University
a Business Student
will not Shout about his Views
as many Left Wing Activists
stop him or her.
Thats wrong Kizzy

[arista]

Originally Posted by reece(:

Right wing activists are the ones wanting to stop free speech

Not in the University
reece

[arista]

Yes Young Lady
Education is Power
but stay Legal.

[Withano]

People have the right to say what they want
Others have the right to tell them theyre talking ****
Wheres the problem?

I suppose its a never ending cycle

Left: You cant say that
Right: Freedom of speech
Left: Thats stupid
Right: You cant say that
Left: Freedom of speech
Right: Thats stupid

Etc and vice versa

[Vicky.]

Without an actual story...I can't quite understand the point of this thread? I know in America there have been issues with certain topics being banned from being spoke about and people no platformed for having different opinions. No platforming, or protesting about someone speaking at all who has a different view to you...I don't really see that as free speech at all. Not sure that comes across right so...

Person 1 holds the view that all flowers are blue.
Person 2 disagrees

Person 1 is due to speak at a event about flowers. Or about anything else...
Person 2 kicks up a huge fuss, goes to the organizers of said event, gets a protest ready...tries to completely stop person 1 from having a public voice. Just because person 1 holds the view that flowers are blue.
Person 1 is banned from said event because of an opinion that differs with person 2.

I do not think this is person 2 exercising their own right to free speech at all. They are free to tell person 1 that their opinion is ridiculous..argue the point and so on. But when it comes to actually stopping them speaking at all? That is wrong. And not simply exercising their own right to free speech at all tbh

[LeatherTrumpet]

I suppose they have to do something once they are done attending both their lectures for the week?

[Tregard]

Some of these messages are almost incomprehensible to me, but I can safely say if Milo Yiannopoulos was being paid to do his hateful little song and dance at my university I would protest that until I was blue in the face. Differing views are necessary for constructive conversation and progress, but just having dissenting opinions doesn't give you the right to a soapbox.

[arista]

Originally Posted by Tregard

Some of these messages are almost incomprehensible to me, but I can safely say if Milo Yiannopoulos was being paid to do his hateful little song and dance at my university I would protest that until I was blue in the face. Differing views are necessary for constructive conversation and progress, but just having dissenting opinions doesn't give you the right to a soapbox.

Please keep him out of this UK University thread
as we have a thread on him, already
http://www.thisisbigbrother.com/foru...d.php?t=312113

[jennyjuniper]

Originally Posted by Dezzy

Based on what? Arista's original post proved no sources, no articles and barely anything aside from 'Universities stopping free speech' which is an unqualified statement.

Based on the fact that some American Universities are trying to prevent free speech, in case it offends someone,. Unfortunately when it happens in the States it doesn't usually take long to catch on in Britain and other countries where looney liberals proliferate.

[arista]

http://www.independent.co.uk/student...-a7577381.html

A Fresh Link for Dezzy
when he gets time .
A Colleague just sent me.

[More than nine in 10 UK universities are restrictive of free speech, according to a new report that raises concerns over the issue of censorship on campuses.

Analysis by Spiked magazine, supported by the Joseph Rowntree Reform Trust, suggested campus censorship had increased steadily over the past three years – with a growing number of institutions actively clamping down on ideas, literature and guest speakers that are not in keeping with their own values.

The Free Speech University Rankings (FSUR), drawn from examining the policies and bans of 115 universities and students’ unions, found almost two thirds (63.5 per cent) were “severely” restrictive of free speech, with more than 30 per cent given an “amber” warning.]

[Brillopad]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

The yoof are the problem!

No they aren't, the youth simply are not believing what they are being fed therefore they must be discredited.

The problem is ther ARE believing what they are being fed - from the PC brigade.

[Tom4784]

Originally Posted by arista

http://www.independent.co.uk/student...-a7577381.html

A Fresh Link for Dezzy
when he gets time .
A Colleague just sent me.

[More than nine in 10 UK universities are restrictive of free speech, according to a new report that raises concerns over the issue of censorship on campuses.

Analysis by Spiked magazine, supported by the Joseph Rowntree Reform Trust, suggested campus censorship had increased steadily over the past three years – with a growing number of institutions actively clamping down on ideas, literature and guest speakers that are not in keeping with their own values.

The Free Speech University Rankings (FSUR), drawn from examining the policies and bans of 115 universities and students’ unions, found almost two thirds (63.5 per cent) were “severely” restrictive of free speech, with more than 30 per cent given an “amber” warning.]

Banning costumes isn't infringing on anyone's freedom of speech nor is preventing people from infringing on a mascot's image rights. Most business, schools and public places have a set of values that dictate what they allow and what they don't. It's not exactly infringing on freedom of speech by not allowing extremists to speak in public places. Unless they are ACTUALLY oppressing people's rights to their opinion then this is a nonstory from a group of people who do not understand what Freedom of Speech is and where it applies and where it doesn't.

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by Brillopad

The problem is ther ARE believing what they are being fed - from the PC brigade.

go peddle your nonsense words elsewhere please.

[Kizzy]

Personally I would say the 'free speech' decline came in just as the hate laws became legislation, what do you want unis full of hate clerics?
You can't have it both ways :/

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by arista

On all the TV debates
and Radio debates,


In a University
a Business Student
will not Shout about his Views
as many Left Wing Activists
stop him or her.
Thats wrong Kizzy

Is it? I couldn't possibly comment as I don't know what the views are to form an opinion whether I feel that was right or wrong.

[Northern Monkey]

Originally Posted by Vicky.

Without an actual story...I can't quite understand the point of this thread? I know in America there have been issues with certain topics being banned from being spoke about and people no platformed for having different opinions. No platforming, or protesting about someone speaking at all who has a different view to you...I don't really see that as free speech at all. Not sure that comes across right so...

Person 1 holds the view that all flowers are blue.
Person 2 disagrees

Person 1 is due to speak at a event about flowers. Or about anything else...
Person 2 kicks up a huge fuss, goes to the organizers of said event, gets a protest ready...tries to completely stop person 1 from having a public voice. Just because person 1 holds the view that flowers are blue.
Person 1 is banned from said event because of an opinion that differs with person 2.

I do not think this is person 2 exercising their own right to free speech at all. They are free to tell person 1 that their opinion is ridiculous..argue the point and so on. But when it comes to actually stopping them speaking at all? That is wrong. And not simply exercising their own right to free speech at all tbh

This exactly

[arista]

"Unless they are ACTUALLY oppressing people's rights to their opinion then this is a nonstory from a group of people who do not understand what Freedom of Speech"

Yes I understand you Dezzy
Freedom Of Speech.

Info Wars com fella had it
out with Andrew Neil
on the BBC Daily Politics , Andrew was right
of course.

But it is a Legit Story
I am sorry no video yet.
Technical problems


I thank John Oliver for a Top show
last night on UK SkyAtlanticHD
his HBO show is Outstanding, Dezzy,

Thank you Dezzy for going through that Fresh Link
but it is still the case that Left Wing Activists
are not being legal.
A debate in a University
is good enough for Live Ch4HD TV
at the same time.
Now if Left Wing Protesters
invade that gig
they will be removed and the
Left Vs Right live Debate also on live TV
will carry on.


I hope you can see the sense in all this
Thank You for Your Time .... Dezzy.

[Brillopad]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

go peddle your nonsense words elsewhere please.

Latest tactic hey!

[Brillopad]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

Personally I would say the 'free speech' decline came in just as the hate laws became legislation, what do you want unis full of hate clerics?
You can't have it both ways :/

The fact you attempt to automatically label any opposition to your views as 'hate' shows that both sets of opinions need to be heard in order for 'free speech' to actually mean free speech.

Where would we be without a bit of balance!