Notices

Serious Debates & News Debate and discussion about political, moral, philosophical, celebrity and news topics.

Reply
 
Thread Tools Search this Thread Display Modes
Old 02-03-2017, 11:43 AM #101
Kizzy's Avatar
Kizzy Kizzy is offline
Likes cars that go boom
 
Join Date: Jan 2012
Posts: 41,755


Kizzy Kizzy is offline
Likes cars that go boom
Kizzy's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2012
Posts: 41,755


Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Toy Soldier View Post
You're oversimplifying to put words in people's mouthes again Livia. Belief in god (which is what I would call faith?) and observing and following an organised human religion are not the same thing. The former is not inherently irrational but the latter is.

As I said before, I'll continue to correct you every time you (deliberately...) misrepresent this stance.
100% agree here, personally I would say that those who identify as having a belief system without subscribing to a religion are at a serious disadvantage, as they can't piously attend whichever branch of whatever religion on prescribed days, whilst the rest of the time turn a blind eye to issues that could at best be described as inhumanity.

For me that is illogical.
__________________
Kizzy is offline   Reply With QuoteReply With Quote
Old 02-03-2017, 11:48 AM #102
Kizzy's Avatar
Kizzy Kizzy is offline
Likes cars that go boom
 
Join Date: Jan 2012
Posts: 41,755


Kizzy Kizzy is offline
Likes cars that go boom
Kizzy's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2012
Posts: 41,755


Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Livia View Post
If you interpret someone's words, it's your interpretation. If someone else interprets your words, they're putting words in your mouth.

You don't believe in God and need constantly to question those who do, to talk about indoctrination and and how illogical it all is. I say, if you don't have faith you don't understand... you call that "convenient".

I believe in God and believe that relationship is strictly between Him and me. I don't care whether someone else does or doesn't believe. I don't want to recruit you, I don't want to persuade you that you're wrong and I'm right. I would just like you to try to understand that my religious belief is mine and if you don't buy it... fine.
'Saying that organised religion is illogical and based on parental indoctrination... that's me you're referring to. And while you have never said outright that I am stupid, I just summed it up for you.'

Or... You actually did put words in his mouth?
__________________
Kizzy is offline   Reply With QuoteReply With Quote
Old 02-03-2017, 11:51 AM #103
the truth the truth is offline
User banned
 
Join Date: Nov 2011
Posts: 14,477
the truth the truth is offline
User banned
 
Join Date: Nov 2011
Posts: 14,477
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Kizzy View Post
'Saying that organised religion is illogical and based on parental indoctrination... that's me you're referring to. And while you have never said outright that I am stupid, I just summed it up for you.'

Or... You actually did put words in his mouth?
no. he did
the truth is offline   Reply With QuoteReply With Quote
Old 02-03-2017, 12:09 PM #104
Kizzy's Avatar
Kizzy Kizzy is offline
Likes cars that go boom
 
Join Date: Jan 2012
Posts: 41,755


Kizzy Kizzy is offline
Likes cars that go boom
Kizzy's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2012
Posts: 41,755


Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by the truth View Post
no. he did
Did he suggest he was called stupid?... I must have missed that.
__________________
Kizzy is offline   Reply With QuoteReply With Quote
Old 02-03-2017, 12:46 PM #105
the truth the truth is offline
User banned
 
Join Date: Nov 2011
Posts: 14,477
the truth the truth is offline
User banned
 
Join Date: Nov 2011
Posts: 14,477
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Kizzy View Post
Did he suggest he was called stupid?... I must have missed that.
he?
the truth is offline   Reply With QuoteReply With Quote
Old 02-03-2017, 12:48 PM #106
Vicky. Vicky. is offline
0_o
 
Join Date: Jul 2009
Posts: 64,791


Vicky. Vicky. is offline
0_o
 
Join Date: Jul 2009
Posts: 64,791


Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by the truth View Post
no. he did
I believe that is He with a capital H
Vicky. is offline   Reply With QuoteReply With Quote
Old 02-03-2017, 02:38 PM #107
Livia's Avatar
Livia Livia is offline
Flag shagger.
 
Join Date: Jun 2010
Location: Brasov, Transylvania
Posts: 32,805


Livia Livia is offline
Flag shagger.
Livia's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2010
Location: Brasov, Transylvania
Posts: 32,805


Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Kizzy View Post
'Saying that organised religion is illogical and based on parental indoctrination... that's me you're referring to. And while you have never said outright that I am stupid, I just summed it up for you.'

Or... You actually did put words in his mouth?
Why are you chiming in at this late stage? TS definitely doesn't need a spokesperson.
Livia is offline   Reply With QuoteReply With Quote
Old 02-03-2017, 02:43 PM #108
Kizzy's Avatar
Kizzy Kizzy is offline
Likes cars that go boom
 
Join Date: Jan 2012
Posts: 41,755


Kizzy Kizzy is offline
Likes cars that go boom
Kizzy's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2012
Posts: 41,755


Default

Late stage? I was the 4th person to comment in the thread. You had your input into truths grievance and the whole religion/faith issue... now I'm having mine.
I'm not attempting to be anyones spokesperson.
__________________
Kizzy is offline   Reply With QuoteReply With Quote
Old 02-03-2017, 02:45 PM #109
Livia's Avatar
Livia Livia is offline
Flag shagger.
 
Join Date: Jun 2010
Location: Brasov, Transylvania
Posts: 32,805


Livia Livia is offline
Flag shagger.
Livia's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2010
Location: Brasov, Transylvania
Posts: 32,805


Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Kizzy View Post
100% agree here, personally I would say that those who identify as having a belief system without subscribing to a religion are at a serious disadvantage, as they can't piously attend whichever branch of whatever religion on prescribed days, whilst the rest of the time turn a blind eye to issues that could at best be described as inhumanity.

For me that is illogical.
For fear of being accused of putting words in your mouth, perhaps you'd like to explain what you mean exactly? Are ALL followers of organised religions "pious" and turning a blind eye to inhamanity? Because your post looks like it's referring to them all. But I acknowledge it was probably just said to provoke a reaction as usual. Whilst at the same time, you're singling out people like yourself, who claim to have a belief system - Wicca, wasn't it? - as being "at a serious disadvantage". What kind of disadvantage do you believe you are at, exactly?

Last edited by Livia; 02-03-2017 at 02:47 PM.
Livia is offline   Reply With QuoteReply With Quote
Old 02-03-2017, 02:46 PM #110
Livia's Avatar
Livia Livia is offline
Flag shagger.
 
Join Date: Jun 2010
Location: Brasov, Transylvania
Posts: 32,805


Livia Livia is offline
Flag shagger.
Livia's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2010
Location: Brasov, Transylvania
Posts: 32,805


Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Kizzy View Post
Late stage? I was the 4th person to comment in the thread. You had your input into truths grievance and the whole religion/faith issue... now I'm having mine.
I'm not attempting to be anyones spokesperson.
No, of course not. It took you quite a long time to reply though... you started to reply, logged out, returned and posted. Thanks for taking the trouble.
Livia is offline   Reply With QuoteReply With Quote
Old 02-03-2017, 03:05 PM #111
Kizzy's Avatar
Kizzy Kizzy is offline
Likes cars that go boom
 
Join Date: Jan 2012
Posts: 41,755


Kizzy Kizzy is offline
Likes cars that go boom
Kizzy's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2012
Posts: 41,755


Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Livia View Post
For fear of being accused of putting words in your mouth, perhaps you'd like to explain what you mean exactly? Are ALL followers of organised religions "pious" and turning a blind eye to inhamanity? Because your post looks like it's referring to them all. But I acknowledge it was probably just said to provoke a reaction as usual. Whilst at the same time, you're singling out people like yourself, who claim to have a belief system - Wicca, wasn't it? - as being "at a serious disadvantage". What kind of disadvantage do you believe you are at, exactly?
I had to fact check you then and in 2013 I actually did say that well done... only because it wasn't on the list tbh

The disadvantage of not being able to act/think/ in a hateful manner and believe that because they subscribe to a religion they are morally absolved.

By no means was it said to provoke a reaction, this is how I feel on the subject, that some by no means all simply pay lip service to a religion.
__________________

Last edited by Kizzy; 02-03-2017 at 03:06 PM.
Kizzy is offline   Reply With QuoteReply With Quote
Old 02-03-2017, 03:05 PM #112
Kizzy's Avatar
Kizzy Kizzy is offline
Likes cars that go boom
 
Join Date: Jan 2012
Posts: 41,755


Kizzy Kizzy is offline
Likes cars that go boom
Kizzy's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2012
Posts: 41,755


Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Livia View Post
No, of course not. It took you quite a long time to reply though... you started to reply, logged out, returned and posted. Thanks for taking the trouble.
Are you stalking me? :/
__________________
Kizzy is offline   Reply With QuoteReply With Quote
Old 02-03-2017, 03:44 PM #113
Livia's Avatar
Livia Livia is offline
Flag shagger.
 
Join Date: Jun 2010
Location: Brasov, Transylvania
Posts: 32,805


Livia Livia is offline
Flag shagger.
Livia's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2010
Location: Brasov, Transylvania
Posts: 32,805


Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Kizzy View Post
Are you stalking me? :/
God, no...
Livia is offline   Reply With QuoteReply With Quote
Old 02-03-2017, 03:56 PM #114
Kizzy's Avatar
Kizzy Kizzy is offline
Likes cars that go boom
 
Join Date: Jan 2012
Posts: 41,755


Kizzy Kizzy is offline
Likes cars that go boom
Kizzy's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2012
Posts: 41,755


Default

Blasphemy
__________________
Kizzy is offline   Reply With QuoteReply With Quote
Old 02-03-2017, 04:00 PM #115
Livia's Avatar
Livia Livia is offline
Flag shagger.
 
Join Date: Jun 2010
Location: Brasov, Transylvania
Posts: 32,805


Livia Livia is offline
Flag shagger.
Livia's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2010
Location: Brasov, Transylvania
Posts: 32,805


Default

I find God has quite a good sense of humour. I don't think it'd worry him, considering the rest of the sh1t that's going on in the world.
Livia is offline   Reply With QuoteReply With Quote
Old 02-03-2017, 04:49 PM #116
Toy Soldier Toy Soldier is offline
-
 
Join Date: Jul 2013
Posts: 30,350


Toy Soldier Toy Soldier is offline
-
 
Join Date: Jul 2013
Posts: 30,350


Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Livia View Post
If you interpret someone's words, it's your interpretation. If someone else interprets your words, they're putting words in your mouth.

You don't believe in God and need constantly to question those who do, to talk about indoctrination and and how illogical it all is. I say, if you don't have faith you don't understand... you call that "convenient".

I believe in God and believe that relationship is strictly between Him and me. I don't care whether someone else does or doesn't believe. I don't want to recruit you, I don't want to persuade you that you're wrong and I'm right. I would just like you to try to understand that my religious belief is mine and if you don't buy it... fine.
I don't "need" to constantly question people but I do find it interesting. No one is forcing you to talk about it, Livia... . You could just not.

Sent from my SM-G930F using Tapatalk
Toy Soldier is offline   Reply With QuoteReply With Quote
Old 02-03-2017, 05:01 PM #117
Marsh. Marsh. is offline
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Sep 2008
Posts: 79,984


Marsh. Marsh. is offline
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Sep 2008
Posts: 79,984


Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Vicky. View Post
I believe that is He with a capital H
Marsh. is offline   Reply With QuoteReply With Quote
Old 02-03-2017, 06:48 PM #118
Withano's Avatar
Withano Withano is offline
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Jun 2012
Posts: 19,738

Favourites (more):
BB2024: Ali
CBB2024: Louis Walsh


Withano Withano is offline
Senior Member
Withano's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2012
Posts: 19,738

Favourites (more):
BB2024: Ali
CBB2024: Louis Walsh


Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Vicky. View Post
I believe that is He with a capital H
__________________
Withano is offline   Reply With QuoteReply With Quote
Reply

Bookmark/share this topic

Tags
good, men, opposition, societysomething, women

Thread Tools Search this Thread
Search this Thread:

Advanced Search
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off

Forum Jump


All times are GMT. The time now is 08:00 PM.

Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.11
Copyright ©2000 - 2025, vBulletin Solutions Inc.
User Alert System provided by Advanced User Tagging (Pro) - vBulletin Mods & Addons Copyright © 2025 DragonByte Technologies Ltd.
 

About Us ThisisBigBrother.com

"Big Brother and UK Television Forum. Est. 2001"

 

© 2023
no new posts