[Kizzy]

I have to say I agree with his take here, brexit does make us appear insular and rather hypocritical as we oppose those who would rather go it alone too.


'Prominent atheist and scientist Richard Dawkins has said England is becoming a “nasty little backwater,” as the government prepares begin the process of leaving the European Union.

The day before the UK government planned to trigger Article 50 and formally begin Brexit, the Scottish Parliament voted in favour of a second independence referendum.

Mr Dawkins has spoken out against Brexit since last summer’s referendum and once branded voters, including himself, “ignoramuses”.'


http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk...-a7655136.html

[the truth]

up yours dawkins

[Brillopad]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

I have to say I agree with his take here, brexit does make us appear insular and rather hypocritical as we oppose those who would rather go it alone too.


'Prominent atheist and scientist Richard Dawkins has said England is becoming a “nasty little backwater,” as the government prepares begin the process of leaving the European Union.

The day before the UK government planned to trigger Article 50 and formally begin Brexit, the Scottish Parliament voted in favour of a second independence referendum.

Mr Dawkins has spoken out against Brexit since last summer’s referendum and once branded voters, including himself, “ignoramuses”.'


http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk...-a7655136.html

That he is! A real ignoramus.

As for opposing those that would rather go it alone too - isn't that exactly what Scotland has done. Maybe Ireland too.

[jaxie]

Dawkins is an interesting man and I agree with much of what he says about religion. Like most humans he doesn't always get it right and in this case he is glaringly wrong. Those who wish to remain in the EU simply don't get the position of those who want to leave and fail to understand the issues.

The EU's petty behaviour towards Gibraltar is just another reason to be glad to see the back of them.

The Union and EU are very different entities and keep being made a comparison as if leaving one is the same as leaving the other. It is a completely different thing. The EU has never been one nation. However no one has ever opposed those who wished to leave the union. You will remember that in 2014 Scotland had a referendum on that very issue and chose to remain within the union. The nationalists didn't like the answer so they want to do it all over again and they will get their way once Brexit is sorted. Those who wanted to leave the EU had to wait 40 years.

[Northern Monkey]

This is one time i disagree with him.Still it's his opinion and he's entitled to it.

[Livia]

Who cares what he thinks? Just another opinion... his is no more valuable than anyone else's.

[Kizzy]

I know, I just thought it interesting that someone so clever would be one of the first to admit they were duped.

[jaxie]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

I know, I just thought it interesting that someone so clever would be one of the first to admit they were duped.

Why is it so hard to understand that most of knew exactly what we were voting for and weren't duped in any way.

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by jaxie

Why is it so hard to understand that most of knew exactly what we were voting for and weren't duped in any way.

Have you spoke to everyone?... I've read there are many feeling more than a little remorseful

[AProducer'sWetDream]

Originally Posted by jaxie

Why is it so hard to understand that most of knew exactly what we were voting for and weren't duped in any way.

In your previous post you said that most remain voters " fail to understand the issues". So its fine for you to say that those on the other side of the argument didn't understand what they were voting for, but you don't seem to like it when the shoe is on the other foot

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by AProducer'sWetDream

In your previous post you said that most remain voters " fail to understand the issues". So its fine for you to say that those on the other side of the argument didn't understand what they were voting for, but you don't seem to like it when the shoe is on the other foot

Good point.

[Brillopad]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

Have you spoke to everyone?... I've read there are many feeling more than a little remorseful

That depends on what paper you read it seems - get your info from the Independent or the Canary you will hear what you want to hear.

[jaxie]

Originally Posted by AProducer'sWetDream

In your previous post you said that most remain voters " fail to understand the issues". So its fine for you to say that those on the other side of the argument didn't understand what they were voting for, but you don't seem to like it when the shoe is on the other foot

It's actually the same issue and the same comment.

I have never said remain voters failed to understand why they voted remain. I said they fail to understand why others didn't. I don't think some want to.

[jaxie]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

Have you spoke to everyone?... I've read there are many feeling more than a little remorseful

I haven't spoken to everyone, neither have you.

[Brillopad]

Originally Posted by AProducer'sWetDream

In your previous post you said that most remain voters " fail to understand the issues". So its fine for you to say that those on the other side of the argument didn't understand what they were voting for, but you don't seem to like it when the shoe is on the other foot

Believe me that works both ways. Remoaners exist for a reason. Many have suggested 17.4 million were duped and would not have voted for Brexit if they had 'understood' the outcome - the implications of such comments obvious.

That's just pie in the sky right now because it is still all supposition and no one knows for sure what the final outcome will be - for God's sake negotiations haven't even started.

Rather than remainers being the politically and economically clued-up experts they would have people believe, it's much more likely that many were simply fearful of change.

[AProducer'sWetDream]

Originally Posted by Brillopad

Believe me that works both ways. Remoaners exist for a reason. Many have suggested 17.4 million were duped and would not have voted for Brexit if they had 'understood' the outcome - the implications of such comments obvious.

That's just pie in the sky right now because it is still all supposition and no one knows for sure what the final outcome will be - for God's sake negotiations haven't even started.

Rather than remainers being the politically and economically clued-up experts they would have people believe, it's much more likely that many were simply fearful of change.

The hypocrisy in your position is unbelievable. So it's fine to make sweeping generalisations about people who voted remain but to suggest that some leavers didn't know what they were voting for is not?

For the record, I voted remain to protect my right to work, study and travel in other European countries, which I plan/hope to do in the future.

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by jaxie

I haven't spoken to everyone, neither have you.

I haven't professed to.

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by Brillopad

That depends on what paper you read it seems - get your info from the Independent or the Canary you will hear what you want to hear.

Look at this odd interpretation of a yougov poll, it shows that 44% of those who support Britain leaving the EU (brexiters) agree that Britain should leave the EU . Next to that is the 25% figure of those who did not support Britain leaving (remainers) but who have accepted that it is happening.

For this to be shown as 69% in favour is very misleading.

http://uk.businessinsider.com/yougov...trigger-2017-3

Spoiler:

[Brillopad]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

Look at this odd interpretation of a yougov poll, it shows that 44% of those who support Britain leaving the EU (brexiters) agree that Britain should leave the EU . Next to that is the 25% figure of those who did not support Britain leaving (remainers) but who have accepted that it is happening.

For this to be shown as 69% in favour is very misleading.

http://uk.businessinsider.com/yougov...trigger-2017-3

Spoiler:

Not really as they are accepting the result of the referendum and a public vote even though it was not what they wanted. I admire that. That is how we make democratic votes - the majority gets it - the percentage is irrelevant.

As for those that believe a public vote should be ignored because it wasn't what they wanted, I'm pretty speechless really.

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by Brillopad

Not really as they are accepting the result of the referendum and a public vote even though it was not what they wanted. I admire that. That is how we make democratic votes - the majority gets it - the percentage is irrelevant.

As for those that believe a public vote should be ignored because it wasn't what they wanted, I'm pretty speechless really.

Yes a quarter who voted remain are resigned to it, that is not my issue...The telling portion of these stats are the 44% who did want out but who now appear to be of a different opinion.

[Brillopad]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

Yes a quarter who voted remain are resigned to it, that is not my issue...The telling portion of these stats are the 44% who did want out but who now appear to be of a different opinion.

I don't believe that as I have read different things in different places which is why I said it depends on what you read.

But even if that were the case, the vote was made. Politics is always misleading, it's the nature of the beast. Both sides made misleading statements so for one side to attempt to use such allegations as ammunition for a second vote is devious and desperate in my opinion.

It's an uncertain time for all of us but the best way of making a success of it is if we all work together.

[Tom4784]

It's ignorant to think that most voters knew what they were voting for but I do think a higher percentage of Remainers knew what they were voting for given that the two cornerstones of the Leave campaign were the 'Ł350 million for the NHS' lie and immigration which won't likely be affected by Brexit in any meaningful way.

The fact that 'Leaver's Remorse' is a thing only reaffirms it.

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by Brillopad

I don't believe that as I have read different things in different places which is why I said it depends on what you read.

But even if that were the case, the vote was made. Politics is always misleading, it's the nature of the beast. Both sides made misleading statements so for one side to attempt to use such allegations as ammunition for a second vote is devious and desperate in my opinion.

It's an uncertain time for all of us but the best way of making a success of it is if we all work together.

But these are yougov stats...they would be the same if they were reported in the Telegraph, the guardian or the (spits) sun.

[Northern Monkey]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

Have you spoke to everyone?... I've read there are many feeling more than a little remorseful

You just gave me an idea for a great April fools Bregret thread.Too late now

[Marsh.]

Dawkins is an idiot. I have no problem believing he is an ignoramus to boot.