[Daniel-X]

BB4 isn't that bad tbqh, I watched it last month and yes it isn't riveting viewing or anything but I think it holds it's own. Some weeks are actually really entertaining (see: Cass of Household, Raul of Household) and then some others are a bit dull. I'd say it's pretty much on par with BB3 for me personally (I might even place it higher than 3 tbh, I did love 3 at the time but it takes a while to pick up and much like 4 is very up and down)

[Greg!]

The producers should have rigged that chance task thing for Nikki to win HOH tbh, it would have been absolutely amazing

[Headie]

Originally Posted by MB.

Good things that happened event-wise in BBCan4 other than Nikki being voted in:

Spoiler:

-Kelsey becoming Loveita's pupil in the secret suite
-Kelsey cockroaching her way through the entire season
-Kelsey stealing Maddy's duck on the way out
-"#betches"
-Cassandra's only comp win being because of her dad
-That gif of Cassandra looking glamorous on top of a car
-Cassandra and Tim convincing Phil that they're cousins... twice
-Cassandra somehow managing to flip the house against Joel
-Joel's Carly Rae Jepsen sing-a-long
-Nikki and the puppy
-Nikki's inability to pronounce Raul's name properly
-Nikki's inability to pronounce "HoH" properly
-Nikki's slop meltdown
-Nikki's vodka meltdown
-That gif of Nikki listening in to a conversation through a door then running away
-Christine winning a completely unnecessary veto just because she wanted some new furniture
-"I've waited eighteen years to say that I vote to evict Paige"
-Jared being evicted because he didn't want to get a haircut
-The disaster that was the baseball competition
-Veronica
-Loveita winning two HoHs in the first three weeks, and making a complete mess of them both
-Mitch's eviction
-Tim losing

And other stuff I'm almost definitely forgetting

But other than that

I think you're confused by what I meant by 'event-wise'

Moment-wise there were many things (Nikki's meltdowns, Loveita's fight with Jared, etc) - I'd class those as 'moments' not 'events'

Event-wise refers to results of HOH comps, nominations, veto winners, evictions, twists etc. and other than Nikki being voted in, Loveita winning two HOHs (which she butched tf out of btw) and Cass's dad winning her an HOH, what other events turned out to be good?

Although Kelsey was your fave so I can see from your perspective why it would've been an enjoyable season, since everything seemed to work in her favour and against my faves

[Ashley.]

I couldn't place Big Brother 4 high just because I absolutely detested the two housemates who made it the furthest in the game.

...that, and the fact that they all played the most awful games I've ever seen. (See: Anything Loveita did, Jared choosing to keep his hair rather than win £100,000, Raul's HOH, anything Nick & Phil did)

[Headie]

3 has one of the best alliances of all time in the fembots (Sarah/Brittnee/Naeha/Sindy) and Risha's naked jacuzzi/clocking Peter on the side show made her an iconic houseguest too, the fact that all the twists post-Jury benefitted Britnee and Sarah made the second half far superior to the first half, Jordan's blindside, Sindy's "black widow" vote, Britnee's comp wins, Britt's superpower, the messy triple eviction, Sarah's eventual win etc.

I'd much rather watch that than 4 which was dominated by Jared/Kelsey and the Brothers storylines, the fact that the Brothers won in the end is VILE

[Headie]

Originally Posted by Greg!

The producers should have rigged that chance task thing for Nikki to win HOH tbh, it would have been absolutely amazing

Her HOH reign will come when she returns for All Stars!

[LemonJam]

Could you put that post about Season 3 in spoiler tags please Hayden cos I don't think Cal has seen it yet

[Jack_]

BBCan 4 is one of the most underrated seasons of Big Brother ever, while BB3 is vastly overrated. See this post I made last year:

Spoiler:

I've summed it up over the last few pages but: consistently entertaining feeds, close votes for almost every eviction (there is nothing more dull than endless unanimous 'let's vote with the house' weeks), votes flipping mid-week and watching that play out rather than the eventual evictee not bothering to campaign, no real alliances until recently, a house divide from mid-season which we've not had for a long time, continuous power shifts (see: BB6 for why this makes a good season), one of the most pivotal endgames I can ever remember, a good mix of drama (so much of it compared to last year's awful love-fest) and hilarity, dramatic ceremonies, no endless convoluted messy twists, a final eight whom were all well developed characters contributing to the storyline (compared with BB3's utter irrelevancies in Ashleigh, Pilar, Willow, Zach...Bobby if you want to extend to F10 ) and actual Nikki ****ing Grahame on the live feeds!

Conversely I don't get what's so bad about this season? Like, Loveita isn't the be all and end all of a season. I feel like people haven't watched enough of the feeds to appreciate what's gone down because they have been consistently amazing all throughout...but then again there's been episode after episode which have been fantastic and far better than BB3's so I still don't get the hate

Originally Posted by Ashley.

Big Brother 3 was pretty much twist after twist... But I think the fact that the twists only really benefited the well-liked players is why they are (and therefore the season is) so well-received.

That's pretty much it, and don't get me wrong I did love Sarah but the twists were messy and too frequent, and plus like I said the majority of the cast were ****ing irrelevant and so nothing happened? 4 is a legitimately great season of Big Brother with a sadly terrible end, 3 is just 'good'

For what it's worth, 2 > 4 > 1 > 3 > 5 (verging on a 'bad' season for the first time in BBCan history)

[Jason.]

Tbh I've enjoyed BB5 more than I did BB4 judging by the first four weeks Like I understand the boot order has been tragic with Gary and (to a lesser extent) Cassandra being evicted but there's still a few people that I'm interested in that are still in the game whereas last year I cba to catch up after Loveita was evicted. Having said that, this season has a few show-ruiners which need to be culled immediately before they do anymore damage. This season still has potential so I'll wait until after it has finished to judge fully.

[JerseyWins]

BBUS18, BBOTT & BBCAN5 has helped me realize how good BBCAN4 actually was (not that I ever really had any problems with it at all but I might've underrated it a bit as well in the moment). BBCAN4's live feeds were always great and therefore the episodes/storylines had a lot going on every week too.

Oh and the brothers won in the end which makes their journey through the season even more HILARIOUS.

[Cal.]

I love general discussion threads

[Cal.]

Tom and Liza Evicted-

1. Gary
2. Suzette
3. Talla
4. Topaz
5. Alec
6. Jillian
7. Andrew
8. AJ
(Liza)
9. Peter
10. Emmett
(Tom)

Lmao @ Tom sealing his fate by flashing Alec's peen to Canada. Tom being desperate all series to be able to get rid of Suzette and then Suzette gets to get rid of him Gary as HOH should happen every week! Topaz screaming at Tom I wasn't that arsed about Liza's departure.

Suzette Evicted-

1. Gary
(Suzette)
2. Talla
3. Topaz
4. Alec
5. Jillian
6. Andrew
7. AJ
8. Emmett
9. Peter

I can't believe Alec wasted a whole week on getting rid of Suzette For that reason he enters the orange zone! I can't believe he was sat in a room with the likes of Emmett and Jillian talking about how it was IMPERATIVE they got rid of the near middle aged non-physical threat Suzette who only has one friend in the house.

Looking forward to the instant eviction next episode.

[Cal.]

Gary Evicted ( )

(Gary)
1. Topaz
2. Talla
3. Jillian
4. Emmett
5. Andrew
6. Alec
7. Peter

Omg @ Gary and Topaz vs Talla this week Alec has been the biggest disappointment for me, poor miss Topaz

[Cal.]

Alec and Topaz Evicted-

(Topaz)
1. Talla
2. Jillian
3. Emmett
4. Andrew
(Alec)
5. Peter

Peter Evicted/Gary Re-Enters the Game-

1. Gary
2. Talla
3. JIllian
4. Emmett
5. Andrew
(Peter)

Yaaas @ Gary being back. It was difficult to watch since Topaz was evicted with only Talla!

[Raph]

Topaz

[Cal.]

A legend

Does anybody know the percentages for the vote a juror back into the game twist? I'm hoping Topaz was in second place but I sort of have a horrible feeling she wasn't.

[Raph]

From memory it was something like

Gary 63%
Alec 28%
Aj 8%
Topaz 1.9%

I was shocked too

[Raph]

JK I found it:

Gary: 39.18
Alec: 34.96
AJ: 21.18
Topaz: 4.68

So rude of Canada!

[Jason.]

Not 4%

[LukeB]

Alec was so close </3

[DouglasS]

Originally Posted by LukeB

Alec was so close </3

Thankgod for Gary

[EspeonBB]

How did AJ get 21%? Who voted for him

Thank god Gary returned <3

[LukeB]

Originally Posted by EspeonBB

How did AJ get 21%? Who voted for him

Thank god Gary returned <3

People who are jealous of Topaz?

It could have been iconic ifTopaz returned, Jillian put her up after making a deal with her so her coming back they would have been drama.

[VanessaFeltz.]

mess at AJ getting x4 more votes than Topaz

[Cal.]

BYE @ Topaz's low percentage...wtf?