[Northern Monkey]

Originally Posted by Cherie

are you saying all over 40s vote Tory? If you take the attitude that it's pointless because your age group is in the minority you are defeated before you start

It's not true anyway.All the old people i talk to round our end are Labour through and through.

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by Northern Monkey

It's not true anyway.All the old people i talk to round our end are Labour through and through.

And what about the percentage of over 80/90s who will be too ill to bother to vote, blaming everything on the older generation when you can't be arsed to go and vote is easy isn't it

[Withano]

Originally Posted by Cherie

are you saying all over 40s vote Tory? If you take the attitude that it's pointless because your age group is in the minority you are defeated before you start

Obviously not what I'm saying is it

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by Withano

Obviously not what I'm saying is it

What are you saying?

[Sticks]

Originally Posted by Black Dagger

Boris is a ****ing moron. Sick of people making out as if he's this endearing figure head when he's a diabolical, arrogant, dangerous tool.

But at least he is not Ed Milliband

[Withano]

Originally Posted by Cherie

What are you saying?

That theres a clear age divide that is steering the vote, and I found it interesting and relevant to the thread.

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by Withano

That theres a clear age divide that is steering the vote, and I found it interesting and relevant to the thread.

and I said the only reason that is happening is due to the older generation being more likely to vote. You can talk about percentages all you like but the fact is the young just don't bother.

[Withano]

Originally Posted by Cherie

and I said the only reason that is happening is due to the older generation being more likely to vote. You can talk about percentages all you like but the fact is the young just don't bother.

Seems like a different point. It isnt because they are more likely to vote, it is because they are simply more.
There is an ageing population in the UK who take up a prominent proporion of the consensus. If 50% of over 40s vote, and 50% of under 40s vote, the under 40s are still outvoted as results arent weighted by age.

[Cherie]

From yougov

Age: The new dividing line in British politics

In electoral terms, age is the new class. The starkest way to show this is to note that Labour is 19% ahead when it comes to 18-24 year-olds and the Conservatives are ahead by 49% among the over 65s. Our analysis suggest that the current tipping point – which is to say the age where voters are more likely to favour the Conservatives over Labour – is 34.

In fact, for every 10 years older a voter is, their chance of voting Tory increases by around 8% and the chance of them voting Labour decreases by 6%. This age divide could create further problems for Labour on 8 June. Age is also a big driver of turnout, with older people being far more likely to vote than young people. It’s currently too early to tell the exact impact this could have on the final result.

[Withano]

Originally Posted by Cherie

It’s currently too early to tell the exact impact this could have on the final result

Cant imagine it will, because the proportion of young people would not only need to meet the the proportion of elder voters, they would need to exceed it by a large margin... potentially an impossible margin.. Labour needs to appeal to a slightly older demographic somehow.

[Kizzy]

Freaky weather today, sky is black and there were huge hailstones, it can mean only one thing....

Theresa May is in Leeds

'Then she wheels out one of the key lines from her speech, saying Leeds is a traditionally Labour area: “Although it may say Labour on the ballot, it will be Jeremy Corbyn who gets the votes.” Every vote counts, she adds.

May says the Brexit negotiations “could get tough”, meaning she needs as big a mandate as possible.

We’ve already had three uses of “strong and stable leadership” and one of “coalition of chaos”. And two of “in the national interest

May is now saying, “we must not be complacent”, reiterating her admittedly unconvincing argument that the polls could be wrong and Labour could win power. I’ve lost count of the number of uses of “strong and stable leadership”

https://www.theguardian.com/politics...-politics-live

[Kizzy]

Come on you dirty polluting corrupt warmongering toads!!

Get that info out!!


http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk...-a7705851.html

[joeysteele]

I wonder if it's possible it could be up to 30 Con MPs,'' might'' end up being charged over electoral wrongdoing.
Is this the possibly real reason for this election as losing that number of MPs would have left this PM in dire straits in parliament.

Not saying they will be charged but if this calling of this election is to insure and being used to offset that 'possibility',that should be a National disgrace by any standards.

[DemolitionRed]

Originally Posted by joeysteele

I wonder if it's possible it could be up to 30 Con MPs,'' might'' end up being charged over electoral wrongdoing.
Is this the possibly real reason for this election as losing that number of MPs would have left this PM in dire straits in parliament.

Not saying they will be charged but if this calling of this election is to insure and being used to offset that 'possibility',that should be a National disgrace by any standards.

Without a doubt she's in a position where she could potentially lose majority control.

[DemolitionRed]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

Freaky weather today, sky is black and there were huge hailstones, it can mean only one thing....

Theresa May is in Leeds

'Then she wheels out one of the key lines from her speech, saying Leeds is a traditionally Labour area: “Although it may say Labour on the ballot, it will be Jeremy Corbyn who gets the votes.” Every vote counts, she adds.

May says the Brexit negotiations “could get tough”, meaning she needs as big a mandate as possible.

We’ve already had three uses of “strong and stable leadership” and one of “coalition of chaos”. And two of “in the national interest

May is now saying, “we must not be complacent”, reiterating her admittedly unconvincing argument that the polls could be wrong and Labour could win power. I’ve lost count of the number of uses of “strong and stable leadership”

https://www.theguardian.com/politics...-politics-live

“We can see how tough those negotiations are going to be at times,” May said. “We need the strongest possible hand, the strongest possible mandate and the strongest possible leadership as we go into those talks. Yet our opponents are already seeking to disrupt those negotiations – at the same time as 27 other European countries line up to oppose us.” May then turned to her right hand man and with puckered lips that resembled the creases in her tartan suit, she said, "I'm a celebrity, get me out of here"

[Cherie]

2.4 million young people are not on the electoral roll, Jeremy has asked them to step up, will they, or will they be too busy following someone on Twitter

Jeremy Corbyn will make a direct plea to young people to "step up" and register to vote.

The Labour leader believes that more than two million young people who are missing from the electoral register could be key to his success.

Mr Corbyn will argue that young people are being "held back" by the Conservatives and he will urge them to overcome "apathy and resignation" and make sure they cast their vote.

:: Why it might be worth a punt on a Corbyn win

He will say: "Over 2.4 million young people are missing from the UK's electoral register. Barely 40% of 18 to 24-year-olds turn out to vote.

"The Conservatives are more than happy with this state of affairs. Apathy and resignation will secure them seats on election day."

Labour leader Jeremy Corbyn takes his case to Scotland to try to win back voters
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Mr Corbyn will make a direct plea to young people to register to vote
Young people certainly helped Mr Corbyn gain the leadership of his party and he clearly sees them as playing a crucial role in this election if they can overcome their historic tendency to stay away from the ballot box.

Labour's anti-austerity stance and desire to ban tuition fees could also encourage young voters to back the party.

However, 75% of all 18 to 24-year-olds who voted in the referendum wanted to remain in the EU, meaning many could be attracted to the Liberal Democrats, who are pitching themselves as the anti-Brexit party.

During a speech in east London, Mr Corbyn will question the Conservatives' intentions over Brexit. He will cast scepticism over Theresa May's plan for a trade deal with the US and he will accuse the Conservatives of preparing to deliver a deal which will only benefit the wealthy.

He will warn that "a Brexit for the few is now brewing, one where any money saved is handed out as tax cuts to the super-rich and their corporations, where new trade deals with the US and elsewhere are used to drive down our working conditions, and environmental and food standards".

Jeremy Corbyn
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Labour pains: The party approaches the 20th anniversary of it's 1997 victory
Responding to extracts of the speech, Conservative Party chairman Patrick McLoughlin said: "At this election there is a very clear choice on the ballot paper.

"Do you want Theresa May to protect Britain's interests through Brexit and beyond - or the weak, floundering and nonsensical Jeremy Corbyn who doesn't even have the confidence of three quarters of his own MPs?"

Meanwhile, in an interview with the i newspaper, Liberal Democrat leader Tim Farron said he wants to be the leader of the opposition. He described Jeremy Corbyn as "a perfectly nice man" but "demonstrably the worst leader in British political history in terms of effectiveness".

He added: "Britain needs a decent strong opposition and I'm asking the British people to give that job to me."

GENERAL ELECTION 2017 LABOUR JEREMY CORBYN

[Cherie]

Leave 51.9 .....17,410,742
Remain 48.1....16,141,241

72 per cent turn out

So it seems to me that 2 million who aren't on the electoral roll could have made a difference one way or the other either strengthening the Brexit cause or tipping us into remain...so please stop blaming others for the fate of the country if you can be be bothered to vote

[Withano]

Originally Posted by Cherie

Leave 51.9 .....17,410,742
Remain 48.1....16,141,241

72 per cent turn out

So it seems to me that 2 million who aren't on the electoral roll could have made a difference one way or the other either strengthening the Brexit cause or tipping us into remain...so please stop blaming others for the fate of the country if you can be be bothered to vote

I think youre assuming that a lot of the people that arent on the register want to vote but cba.. I cant imagine thats true. Some people just have no interest in these things, or are content with all main parties.

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by Withano

I think youre assuming that a lot of the people that arent on the register want to vote but cba.. I cant imagine thats true. Some people just have no interest in these things, or are content with all main parties.

In that scenario you can't say the older generation are steering the result, its the "contents/no interest/apathetic" that are driving it, as a young person you should be livid that so many can't be bothered not blaming it on people who can

[Withano]

Originally Posted by Cherie

In that scenario you can't say the older generation are steering the result, its the "contents/no interest/apathetic" that are driving it, as a young person you should be livid that so many can't be bothered not blaming it on people who can

Ive never presumed that the non-voters would all vote a similar way if they were forced to vote? Cant imagine theres any data to support this presumption but Id imagine theyd be scattered pretty normally.. Interesting theory though.

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by Withano

Ive never presumed that the non-voters would all vote a similar way if they were forced to vote? Cant imagine theres any data to support this presumption but Id imagine theyd be scattered pretty normally.. Interesting theory though.

its far for a theory going by your earlier post

The ageing population is steering the vote again, Corbyn is more popular than May for those younger than 40

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk...=facebook-post
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[Withano]

Originally Posted by Cherie

its far for a theory going by your earlier post

The ageing population is steering the vote again, Corbyn is more popular than May for those younger than 40

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk...=facebook-post
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But non-voters of all ages surely don't significantly lean either side do they? How would they test that? Your link doesnt work for me

It just seems rational for me to believe that the majority of voters under 40s like labour
The majority of voters over 40s like tories
The majority of non-voters like neither/both

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by Withano

But non-voters of all ages surely don't significantly lean either side do they? How would they test that? Your link doesnt work for me

The link seems to work for JC given he is saying more or less the same thing, I'll take that

[Withano]

Originally Posted by Cherie

The link seems to work for JC given he is saying more or less the same thing, I'll take that

I meant it literally didnt work, not that its not good enough lol

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by Withano

I meant it literally didnt work, not that its not good enough lol

Oh right, that link is from your post about the under 40s