[Alf]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

But he sure says a posh "****ing" an awful lot so I guess he must have a point. And his laugh is just adorable.

Seeing as you like him so much, I'll post lots more videos of him, just for you.

[Toy Soldier]

Originally Posted by Alf

Fair enough, you think he doesn't have a point.

Does that mean you agree with Chomsky?

America is the most dangerous country in the world, and that the world has ever seen, yes. That doesn't mean that they are the "worst" country or that they are evil. Just what it is. Most dangerous. That they are more dangerous than ISIS or an ancient civilization with swords and catapults is plain common sense.

I'd be less willing to commit to the "Republican Party" angle. The other side of American politics isn't (generally) any less dangerous. Though I do think that Trump is more dangerous than the average president from either party. He is an egomaniac, a narcissist, a proven liar, petty, and emotionally volatile.

[James]

I think with the likes of Chomsky and Corbyn they believe, or want to believe, that the West, and America in particular, is the cause of all evil in the world, when it really isn't.

Really for people like Chomsky etc. it is all a tool for changing the politics of their own countries.

It's quite easy for them to turn a blind eye to a lot of bad stuff going on in parts of the world because events which don't have a western angle to them, are judged to be uninteresting to people here, and are largely under-reported.

IS came to our attention so much, and became impossible to ignore because of the terrible western hostage videos they put out.

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by James

I think with the likes of Chomsky and Corbyn they believe, or want to believe, that the West, and America in particular, is the cause of all evil in the world, when it really isn't.

Really for people like Chomsky etc. it is all a tool for changing the politics of their own countries.

It's quite easy for them to turn a blind eye to a lot of bad stuff going on in parts of the world because events which don't have a western angle to them, are judged to be uninteresting to people here, and are largely under-reported.

IS came to our attention so much, and became impossible to ignore because of the terrible western hostage videos they put out.

They are not saying that at all, in terms of power and influence they are big hitters however, what is imperative is that citizens are mindful that human rights are not compromised in the west.

Nobody turns a blind eye to other things, other areas are regularly highlighted as having terrible human rights records, is it enough to say 'Oh well, at least we're not as bad as them' Whilst chipping away at our own?

They don't 'believe' or 'want to believe'... They see it happening, they know the history , what has been done that is being systematically undone.

It came to our attention because of the hostages? Is that ignoring the gulf war in the 90s ?... the millions who protested against action in 2004?

We aided in destabilisation, many turn a blind eye to that, Blair admits it but those who through some misguided patriotism can not.

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[Toy Soldier]

Originally Posted by James

I think with the likes of Chomsky and Corbyn they believe, or want to believe, that the West, and America in particular, is the cause of all evil in the world, when it really isn't.

Really for people like Chomsky etc. it is all a tool for changing the politics of their own countries.

It's quite easy for them to turn a blind eye to a lot of bad stuff going on in parts of the world because events which don't have a western angle to them, are judged to be uninteresting to people here, and are largely under-reported.

IS came to our attention so much, and became impossible to ignore because of the terrible western hostage videos they put out.

I don't think they're blaming ALL evil in the world on the west at all, but even if they were, is insisting that th west is squeaky-clean and has had no hand in it any better?

The US (and the UK too, hand in hand) have been making political and military decisions in the middle east for over half a century, that have directly lead to the rise of terrorism and groups like ISIS. Not only have we carried out devastating campaigns (in the supposed name of democracy, but that is a straight up lie) that have destroyed lives and families and motivated broken people to turn to hatred... But in less abstract terms - we (along with Russia) literally armed them and militarised them in the first place.

Anyone who wishes to deny that has to completely ignore the facts and the history. It's not "a theory" - it's what happened.

And now people beat about there being no point in words, no point trying to find a peaceful solution, that we must "crush" them and bomb them into oblivion. A scattered, stateless entity that relies only on finding broken civilians for recruitment . But it's not even just that it's obvious that it simply won't work. Like I said above - we tried it! Are people's memories really so short? It has been done before. Before you ever heard the word ISIS. And what rose from the ashes? ISIS. Scaring people more than ever.

But here we are again, with people screeching "Yaaarrr bomb dem. If we bomb dem all derr will be none left and then we are all be safe."

NOPE. In a couple of years you'll simply be quivering at the news that SUPER-ISIS has risen and is more dangerous and bloodthirsty than ever.

The really insane part is that some people STILL won't get it.

[DemolitionRed]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

And now people beat about there being no point in words, no point trying to find a peaceful solution, that we must "crush" them and bomb them into oblivion. A scattered, stateless entity that relies only on finding broken civilians for recruitment . But it's not even just that it's obvious that it simply won't work. Like I said above - we tried it! Are people's memories really so short? It has been done before. Before you ever heard the word ISIS. And what rose from the ashes? ISIS. Scaring people more than ever.
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One thing we should of learnt in modern warfare is, we can not beat gorilla warfare. We can bomb them into the dust but that will just bring about more international terrorist atrocities.

All this media talk about ISIS infuriates me because its leading us up the garden path. Other movements like Jabhat al-Nusra, The Muslim Brotherhood, al-Sham militia and Faylaq and others, are more formidable than ISIS. They all have fanatical ideologies and they all treat none Muslims brutally. Nursa were the group responsible for forcing 150 Christian families to flee Turkey. ISIS is just another, now small group who exists amongst these rebel forces. The problem is much larger than ISIS; in fact ISIS has been drastically weakened over the past 8 months, not by the West but by Nursa and other rebel forces (all enemies of the West).

I believe that the reason the West are always told its ISIS every time a terrorist attack happens is because we are all familiar with who ISIS is. If our media were to suddenly announce that a terrorist attack was the work of Nursa, we would all be asking a lot of questions because most of us have never heard of them. The reality is, international terror could be coming from any of those rebel forces.

If we got rid of ISIS… every last one of them, international terror would continue because all these rebel groups, many, much bigger and more formidable than ISIS have witnessed what they consider to be, achievements against the West.

We need to stop arming the enemy. We need to stop funding Saudi Arabia and we need to stop bombing civilian towns and cities and we need to stop trying to create new empires because only that will stop terrorist atrocities happening on our shores.

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by DemolitionRed

One thing we should of learnt in modern warfare is, we can not beat gorilla warfare. We can bomb them into the dust but that will just bring about more international terrorist atrocities.

All this media talk about ISIS infuriates me because its leading us up the garden path. Other movements like Jabhat al-Nusra, The Muslim Brotherhood, al-Sham militia and Faylaq and others, are more formidable than ISIS. They all have fanatical ideologies and they all treat none Muslims brutally. Nursa were the group responsible for forcing 150 Christian families to flee Turkey. ISIS is just another, now small group who exists amongst these rebel forces. The problem is much larger than ISIS; in fact ISIS has been drastically weakened over the past 8 months, not by the West but by Nursa and other rebel forces (all enemies of the West).

I believe that the reason the West are always told its ISIS every time a terrorist attack happens is because we are all familiar with who ISIS is. If our media were to suddenly announce that a terrorist attack was the work of Nursa, we would all be asking a lot of questions because most of us have never heard of them. The reality is, international terror could be coming from any of those rebel forces.

If we got rid of ISIS… every last one of them, international terror would continue because all these rebel groups, many, much bigger and more formidable than ISIS have witnessed what they consider to be, achievements against the West.

We need to stop arming the enemy. We need to stop funding Saudi Arabia and we need to stop bombing civilian towns and cities and we need to stop trying to create new empires because only that will stop terrorist atrocities happening on our shores.

Nothing to add here from me.
Incredible and thoughtful post that says so much that should be seen,in my view,as pure logic.

I 100% agree too as to Saudi Arabia, our far too close funding and even support to that Nation borders on being really nauseating.

[Toy Soldier]

The **** will hit the fan as soon as Saudi oil runs out, and they've been over-reporting how much is left for decades .

[DemolitionRed]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

The **** will hit the fan as soon as Saudi oil runs out, and they've been over-reporting how much is left for decades .

No problem, lets just go and invade those countries who do have oil. We can start with Iraq, Syria then Iran and sell it the West as "war on terror"!!