[jaxie]

Originally Posted by Withano

You're honestly asking me to back up the fact that kids, teachers, and parents care more for GCSEs than a PISA test? You're just being stubborn.

You are the person claiming the organisation/tests are not viable in some way, I just reported what I read, with a link to it. I'm just asking how you know this. It isn't stubborness it's asking you to back up what you are saying. If you can't just say so.

[Withano]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

I never even heard of that test before, I must ask my daughter if any of her class had to do one We have one called The Drumcondra test alright that all primary school students do once a year in English, Irish and maths but that's just a national thing

They're not annual, and they're not in every school - every three years. Think your daughter wasnt one of the unlucky ones!

[Withano]

Originally Posted by jaxie

you are the person claiming the organisation/tests are not viable in some way, i just reported what i read, with a link to it. I'm just asking how you know this. It isn't stubborness it's asking you to back up what you are saying. If you can't just say so.

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[jaxie]

Originally Posted by Withano

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That's a no you can't back it up then.

[Withano]

Originally Posted by jaxie

That's a no you can't back it up then.

I cant find anybody who wrote an article about a kid prioritising their gcse coursework over their pisa score, no.

[Withano]

Besides, wasnt the last pisa test in 2015, and the next in 2018. Why is this even being discussed?

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Withano

They're not annual, and they're not in every school - every three years. Think your daughter wasnt one of the unlucky ones!

Thank god because she has enough to be studying for and she already put loads of pressure on herself

[jaxie]

Originally Posted by Withano

Besides, wasnt the last pisa test in 2015, and the next in 2018. Why is this even being discussed?

It was in the news and seems fairly serious.

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by jaxie

That's a no you can't back it up then.

Originally Posted by Withano

I cant find anybody who wrote an article about a kid prioritising their gcse coursework over their pisa score, no.

I know nothing about that test but I know I would be advising my kids not to waste time studying for a test that only makes a statistics list over their Junior Cert (similar to your GCSEs)

[jaxie]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

I know nothing about that test but I know I would be advising my kids not to waste time studying for a test that only makes a statistics list over their Junior Cert (similar to your GCSEs)

I'm not convinced anyone would revise for a standards test of this kind since it isn't curriculum based so it might be unlikely to know what they might ask. I would imagine it's fairly general knowledge but I have no idea personally. My point was just that neither did anyone else talking to me in the thread so how can it be dismissed as not being a viable idea of standards.

[Withano]

Originally Posted by jaxie

I'm not convinced anyone would revise for a standards test of this kind since it isn't curriculum based so it might be unlikely to know what they might ask. I would imagine it's fairly general knowledge but I have no idea personally. My point was just that neither did anyone else talking to me in the thread so how can it be dismissed as not being a viable idea of standards.

A PISA score is simply just that, a PISA score. Education at the age of 15/16 is different across the world. It is a particularly challenging year for the UK. It is not a challenging year for the countries that consistently score high.
The idea that it happens every three years, and only in some schools, is in my opinion, and surely your opinion, dumb.
Some are encouraged to revise by teachers and parents, the UK are obviously not.
You're just missing so much contextualised data. 99.9%+ of children in Singapore are doing the exams in their first language
They are doing it without the stress of conflicting assessments
I honestly think you're being stubborn. If A levels / GCSEs go down significantly, you have an interesting thread. PISA 2015 results have no reflection on Scotland or the UK. They just dont.

[Greg!]

Originally Posted by jaxie

It was in the news and seems fairly serious.

The article is from last year, based on information from the year before. Since then they've reformed the new exam system

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by jaxie

I'm not convinced anyone would revise for a standards test of this kind since it isn't curriculum based so it might be unlikely to know what they might ask. I would imagine it's fairly general knowledge but I have no idea personally. My point was just that neither did anyone else talking to me in the thread so how can it be dismissed as not being a viable idea of standards.

Yeah that's true too, that test that they do in primary school for similar reasons at a national level, none of them study for

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by jaxie

That's a no you can't back it up then.

the sample size is 3,000 PER COUNTRY.

[jaxie]

Originally Posted by Greg!

The article is from last year, based on information from the year before. Since then they've reformed the new exam system

And it was all over the news this week with Sturgeon saying we must do better.

[Withano]

Originally Posted by jaxie

And it was all over the news this week with Sturgeon saying we must do better.

Surely she wasnt saying we must do better in PISA tests hahah? Do you have a link to that? That would turn me right off her, surely she meant education in general.

[jaxie]

Originally Posted by Withano

Surely she wasnt saying we must do better in PISA tests hahah? Do you have a link to that? That would turn me right off her, surely she meant education in general.

I'm looking for it and hoping I didn't post the wrong link and was thinking of this one. http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotlan...itics-39885792

With regard the PISA I read something on my tablet that I'm struggling to find on my pc. I think the PISA story was republished in relation to the other articles relating to Scotland's own published results in an article I read on my tablet and that I've maybe pasted the wrong link, thinking it was that one.

[Withano]

Originally Posted by jaxie

I'm looking for it and hoping I didn't post the wrong link and was thinking of this one. http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotlan...itics-39885792

Okay good, it has nothing to do with PISA! Your OP implied it was all about PISA, those tests are honestly a waste of time, especially for 15 years olds.
I'm all for a better education system, I've said that before in the thread. But education shouldnt be measured by PISA, I'm so relieved nobody said it should be!

[jaxie]

Originally Posted by Withano

Okay good, it has nothing to do with PISA! Your OP implied it was all about PISA, those tests are honestly a waste of time, especially for 15 years olds.
I'm all for a better education system, I've said that before in the thread. But education shouldnt be measured by PISA, I'm so relieved nobody said it should be!

I'll stand by what I said though You don't know that the PISA results are without value.

[Withano]

Originally Posted by jaxie

I'll stand by what I said though You don't know that the PISA results are without value.

If you're common sense tells you that testing a random sample of 15 year olds in an unimportant test that conflicts with their GCSEs is a good measurement of the UKs education system, (despite nobody telling you otherwise anyway, you clearly misinterpreted Nicola) then thats your prerogative.

[jaxie]

Originally Posted by Withano

If you're common sense tells you that testing a random sample of 15 year olds in an unimportant test that conflicts with their GCSEs is a good measurement of the UKs education system, (despite nobody telling you otherwise anyway, you clearly misinterpreted Nicola) then thats your prerogative.

Scotland's own figures show a drop in standards so you can't really discount the PISA results. But my apologies if my link was confusing or lack of multiple links was confusing. I can't paste links on the tablet so came to look for what I'd read the other day on the PC where I can paste links.

[Withano]

Originally Posted by jaxie

Scotland's own figures show a drop in standards so you can't really discount the PISA results. But my apologies if my link was confusing or lack of multiple links was confusing.

PISA tests should be discounted by everybody always, unless they test every school and every age.

The sources that you have added are interesting and makes our discussion kinda pointless, to summarise, PISA tests are stupid and have zero reflection on education in the UK.

I'll look through your other articles later, I honestly think we can agree with the points raised within them there - i do think the UK education system is a bit ****e in places, but you cant make this point with pisa scores.

[jaxie]

Originally Posted by Withano

PISA tests should be discounted by everybody always, unless they test every school and every age.

The sources that you have added are interesting and makes our discussion kinda pointless, to summarise, PISA tests are stupid and have zero reflection on education in the UK.

I'll look through your other articles later, I honestly think we can agree with the points raised within them there - it was your original point about pisa which was annoying me.

I'm sorry Withano but you are still making bald statements about these PISA tests with absolutely nothing to back up your statements or claims apart from opinion. You can't state that as fact, you don't know it is fact. I don't know it as fact but I wouldn't take just your word on it without some sort of evidence that backs you up. Unless you have some sort of qualification that names you an expert on the subject of course?

[Withano]

Originally Posted by jaxie

I'm sorry Withano but you are still making bald statements about these PISA tests with absolutely nothing to back up your statements or claims apart from opinion. You can't state that as fact, you don't know it is fact. I don't know it as fact but I wouldn't take just your word on it without some sort of evidence that backs you up. Unless you have some sort of qualification that names you an expert on the subject of course?

Originally Posted by Withano

If you're common sense tells you that testing a random sample of 15 year olds in an unimportant test that conflicts with their GCSEs is a good measurement of the UKs education system, (despite nobody telling you otherwise anyway, you clearly misinterpreted Nicola) then thats your prerogative.

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[jaxie]

Originally Posted by Withano View Post
If you're common sense tells you that testing a random sample of 15 year olds in an unimportant test that conflicts with their GCSEs is a good measurement of the UKs education system, (despite nobody telling you otherwise anyway, you clearly misinterpreted Nicola) then thats your prerogative.

Personalised Judgement in this case without any specialised knowledge is pretty worthless.