[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by Brillopad

All Corbyn does is wildly promise the world to all those gullible voters desperate for a miraculous change in our economy. It is all talk with little actual realism involved. Short-term plans with no thought given to long-term effects - DEBT. He is unlikely to keep to them anyway once in because they are largely unworkable.

This is effectively still a vote on Brexit and the remainers scared of change and going it on our own are clutching at every chance, every straw and every 'promise' they can to effectively overturn Brexit. It really is quite painful to watch.

Realism?.... Where are the costings, where is the analysis from the IFS?

How can you not be referred to as gullible when again like brexit all you have is blind faith to guide you?

'Prime minister what are your plans for social care?'.... ' Er, um, well a strong and stable government knows social care means social care, and I've been very clear on that'. :/

[Nicky91]

i'm sorry but can i say that i find Theresa May such a nice lady

i prefer her above miss angela merkel

[lostalex]

Theresa may is the best that Britain has to offer, and i agree she is not good.

but the rest are much worse.

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

Realism?.... Where are the costings, where is the analysis from the IFS?

How can you not be referred to as gullible when again like brexit all you have is blind faith to guide you?

'Prime minister what are your plans for social care?'.... ' Er, um, well a strong and stable government knows social care means social care, and I've been very clear on that'. :/

it's worrying close to what she comes out with

[Kazanne]

Originally Posted by smudgie

Yeah, because we are all brain dead with no memories.......like this really worked last time.
Oh, and no, we don't forget the global recession either.
Facts fit to suit whatever agenda anyone wants them to fit...on both sides.
Most people who can be bothered to vote look around them at the facts that suit them and vote accordingly, not just based on the fiscal gain for themselves either.

Spot on smudgie, memories of a goldfish some folks,I would hate the job of PM,it's not cushy by any means , no one can please everyone,we should all work together to make our standard of living good,but some just seem to be out for what they can get for free and the name calling of opposite party leaders is quite childish,good post smudglet.

[Northern Monkey]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

'Prime minister what are your plans for social care?'.... ' Er, um, well a strong and stable government knows social care means social care, and I've been very clear on that'. :/

That is a very good impersonation

[Nicky91]

Originally Posted by lostalex

Theresa may is the best that Britain has to offer, and i agree she is not good.

but the rest are much worse.

yeah well maybe she just needs time, and yeah the rest are really worse choices for UK

[joeysteele]

She needs time alright,to clear off with her deceit and lies,her word meaning not a jot and with the extreme heartless policies she presides over and the truly vile things she supports too.
Time to clear off and hold those rotten cruel views but somewhere where she cannot implement them.

She's totally false,a liar and truly cruel individual who is not only not fit to be Prime Minister but also not fit for any major public office whatsoever.

[jaxie]

The problem with the left is that they don't have anything to offer either. The last Labour government left the country in a financial mess we've been paying for ever since. In the manifesto they make big promises that are far from realistic. They have a weak and ineffectual leader who makes May look a very positive option by comparison. His whole shadow cabinet walked out at one point because none of them had any faith in him. They throw around talk of 'New Labour as if it was some other party when many of those MPs are still there.

Politics in this country is a mess and there isn't a whole lot of choice to make that better. Though in my view the Tories have their act together far more than Labour do.

[Brillopad]

Originally Posted by joeysteele

She needs time alright,to clear off with her deceit and lies,her word meaning not a jot and with the extreme heartless policies she presides over and the truly vile things she supports too.
Time to clear off and hold those rotten cruel views but somewhere where she cannot implement them.

She's totally false,a liar and truly cruel individual who is not only not fit to be Prime Minister but also not fit for any major public office whatsoever.

At least she hasn't hob-nobbed with the IRA which out-does anything you can accuse May of. Such behaviour is definely not fit for any major public office.

[Brillopad]

Originally Posted by Cherie

The manifesto is costed Brillo unlike the Cons in particular the breakfast club which didn't include costing for staffing and other overheads, schoolgirl error

It's not been costed by an independent source which is more relevant tbh. Trotting out figures without the back-up of independent scrutiny and opinon means little.

[joeysteele]

We'd always have been paying some way for the mess that came in 2007/8.
No matter what govt had been in.
Before that crash Labour had presided over an unprecedented 10 years of growth, began by John Major's govt in 1997.

What Labour failed to do was prepare for really bad times,however no one saw the banking crash coming.
The Cons between 2005 and 2010 criticised Labour for regulating the Banks too much,the Cons wanted the Banks regulated less.

The crash was coming whether Labour,Conservative or coalition were in govt.
It affected near all the major Nations.

Labour chose a financial path to deal with it,the Cons would have likely,as they did near all through the 80s,chosen lost working lives with very high unemployment again.
Human cost over financial cost.
Labour rightly or wrongly chose a financial cost.

It's not about short memories but simply being fair,no matter how good any govt may have been up to 2007/8,Labour or Conservative.
That banking issue and crash would still have hit extremely hard with hard consequences,no matter what path was chosen to help solve it.

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by Brillopad

It's not been costed by an independent source which is more relevant tbh. Trotting out figures without the back-up of independent scrutiny and opinon means little.

It hasn't been costed by anyone, how can an independent source cost it if they haven't been told where the money is coming from?... :/

[Brillopad]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

It hasn't been costed by anyone, how can an independent source cost it if they haven't been told where the money is coming from?... :/

So people will be voting blindly, on pure faith. Unproven policies based on unproven figures. Rather you than me.

[Tom4784]

She's utterly woeful. Nothing but catchphrases and platitudes.

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by Brillopad

So people will be voting blindly, on pure faith. Unproven policies based on unproven figures. Rather you than me.

But still with more information than we have had from the current govt... on ANYTHING.

[Tom4784]

Originally Posted by Brillopad

So people will be voting blindly, on pure faith. Unproven policies based on unproven figures. Rather you than me.

I'd say the blind vote would be a vote for the Tories given the amount of vague and straight up misinformation they've put forth thus far. How can May be believed on anything when she u-turns on everything?

We at least know what Corbyn's goals are and that, if they don't come to fruition then at least things won't change. We cannot say the same for Reverse Thatcher.

[Toy Soldier]

Originally Posted by jaxie

The problem with the left is that they don't have anything to offer either. The last Labour government left the country in a financial mess we've been paying for ever since.

Are we STILL on this, nearly 10 years later? It was a GLOBAL recession. Global!

G-L-O-B-A-L, world-wide, international, planetary, affecting every country.

Caused by irresponsibility in the financial and banking sectors.

GLOBALLY.

It wasn't "caused by Labour" ffs.

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by Brillopad

It's not been costed by an independent source which is more relevant tbh. Trotting out figures without the back-up of independent scrutiny and opinon means little.

What are the Con policies though. Reduce corporation tax and take the home you paid for with taxed earnings seem to be the stand out ones

[Brillopad]

Originally Posted by Cherie

What are the Con policies though. Reduce corporation tax and take the home you paid for with taxed earnings seem to be the stand out ones

At the end of the day I guess whoever we vote for will be risky. Personally I feel safer with the tories than labour. At this moment in time I feel the election is less important than Brexit, if after four years they fail to deliver we can get them out.

My particular concerns are for Brexit which is more imminent and I feel May is more likely to get a better deal, one that deals with the issues that led to many voting for Brexit in the first place.

Corbyn didn't and doesn't want Brexit - he will simply negotiate a deal that suits the EU and him. Not much will change.

[Northern Monkey]

Originally Posted by Brillopad

At the end of the day I guess whoever we vote for will be risky. Personally I feel safer with the tories than labour. At this moment in time I feel the election is less important than Brexit, if after four years they fail to deliver we can get them out.

My particular concerns are for Brexit which is more imminent and I feel May is more likely to get a better deal, one that deals with the issues that led to many voting for Brexit in the first place.

Corbyn didn't and doesn't want Brexit - he will simply negotiate a deal that suits the EU and him. Not much will change.

I think Corbyn himself actually does want Brexit.He's been Euroskeptic for all his career.
That's why remainers were pissed at him for his lacklustre campaigning for remain.It's the Blairites in the party who are mainly remainiacs.

[Mystic Mock]

Originally Posted by Brillopad

All Corbyn does is wildly promise the world to all those gullible voters desperate for a miraculous change in our economy. It is all talk with little actual realism involved. Short-term plans with no thought given to long-term effects - DEBT. He is unlikely to keep to them anyway once in because they are largely unworkable.

This is effectively still a vote on Brexit and the remainers scared of change and going it on our own are clutching at every chance, every straw and every 'promise' they can to effectively overturn Brexit. It really is quite painful to watch.

You're probably right that Corbyn won't really do much, but wouldn't you rather that than May who's gonna create issues for the country with her policies?

[Mystic Mock]

Originally Posted by jaxie

The problem with the left is that they don't have anything to offer either. The last Labour government left the country in a financial mess we've been paying for ever since. In the manifesto they make big promises that are far from realistic. They have a weak and ineffectual leader who makes May look a very positive option by comparison. His whole shadow cabinet walked out at one point because none of them had any faith in him. They throw around talk of 'New Labour as if it was some other party when many of those MPs are still there.

Politics in this country is a mess and there isn't a whole lot of choice to make that better. Though in my view the Tories have their act together far more than Labour do.

BIB, the financial mess was the recession that George W Bush's party caused in America as their Banks went a-wall.

[DemolitionRed]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

Are we STILL on this, nearly 10 years later? It was a GLOBAL recession. Global!

G-L-O-B-A-L, world-wide, international, planetary, affecting every country.

Caused by irresponsibility in the financial and banking sectors.

GLOBALLY.

It wasn't "caused by Labour" ffs.

Some people just don't want to get that TS; just as they don't want to believe Corbyn wasn't hobnobbing it with the IRA. They may not have a bullet for their gun but that doesn't stop them carrying that gun. If they've lost their ammunition, the gun can still intimidate and perhaps persuade people.

[jaxie]

Originally Posted by Cherie

We are in a US style situation where none of them are any good tbf, imagine Farron or Nutalll in coalition :shudder:

Oh my, what a horrid thought.