[parmnion]

Originally Posted by DemolitionRed

And here's what the Tory party have done since 2005
1. Election fraud 30 Tories are facing the prospect of criminal prosecution
2. Longest fall in value of wages since records began
3. Spectacularly missed economic targets
4. The austerity con
5. Massive NHS cuts
6. Systematic abuse of disabled people
7. NHS recruitment crisis
8. Huge rise in child poverty
9. The harshest cuts of all on poor families and children
10. The lowest level of house building since the 1920s
11. Contempt for private sector tenants (voted down a bill to stop slum landlords)
12. Public transport chaos
13. Biggest education funding cuts in decades
14. The school privatization agenda
15. Rip off tuition fees. English students now face the highest fees in the world to study.
16. Huge rise in food bank dependency.
17. The Hinkley Point C Scandal (using tax payers cash!)
18. Social care crisis coincided with the biggest increase in death rate since the 1960’s
19. Defunding of local government
20. Tax-dodging corporate outsourcing parasites
21. Five service cuts 30% on fire services. Closure of 39 fire stations and the loss of 10,000 jobs
22. Police cuts. Axed 34,000 police jobs. Crime has risen by 96% since the cuts.
23. Sweetheart tax deals. Allowing massive tax cuts to companies like Google.
24. The snooper charter. The most extreme state surveillance in the world.
25. Dictators and despots. Sucking up to Islamic tyrants in SA
26. Contempt of human rights.
27. Taxpayer subsidised malice (anti welfare schemes)
28. Rising inequality. The worst collapse in the value of peoples wages on record.
29. U-turn after U-turn
30. Threat of a no deal Brexit.

Number 15..
Bollox..8th highest.

[the truth]

Originally Posted by parmnion

You missed no 51....allowed paedophiles to continue abusing children.

We went bankrupt, had the filthiest hospitals in europe where people had record mrsa diseases , record numbers died of clots and 1000s died of thirst and neglect as the public sectors performance and cover ups got ever worse, labour introduced tuition fees, they deregulated the banks which brought on an even worse credit crash, oversaw the housing market collapse, created a bigger gap between rich and poor than for 200 years, introduced 3000 petty laws and endless stealth taxes, encouraged breeding for benefits with their limitless handouts to non working families...treated oaps in care homes worse than prisoners, sold us out to europe, brought in nearly 8 million increased population in 13 years, nearly broke up the UK, destroyed freedom of speech and civil liberties, oh and they killed 1 milllion innocent iraqis on the back of pure lies

[parmnion]

Originally Posted by the truth

We went bankrupt, had the filthiest hospitals in europe where people had record mrsa diseases , record numbers died of clots and 1000s died of thirst and neglect as the public sectors performance and cover ups got ever worse oh and they killed 1 milllion innocent iraqis on the back of pure lies

All true...

[Denver]

Funny how labour supporters refuse to acknowledge all the innocent people Tony Blair and Labour had murdered

[the truth]

Originally Posted by Adam.

Funny how labour supporters refuse to acknowledge all the innocent people Tony Blair and Labour had murdered

oh but him and the other murderers dont count as labour, thats new labour? righto burnham, harmon, prescott, the lot fo them all voted for this disgusting illegal war and all mocked the late great tony benn for properly opposing it

[MTVN]

Corbyn was on air this morning to specifically promote this policy but didn't know the most basic detail about it

He regularly gets caught out not knowing his brief and has to be bailed out by his advisors later, this is not a one off

[smudgie]

I left it at No.1 .
Who are these 30 Tories facing prosecution.

[DemolitionRed]

Originally Posted by parmnion

You missed no 51....allowed paedophiles to continue abusing children.

Try googling Tory party paedophiles.

[Kazanne]

Originally Posted by DemolitionRed

Try googling Tory party paedophiles.

Jesus, how childish is this going to get.

[DemolitionRed]

Originally Posted by parmnion

Number 15..
Bollox..8th highest.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/ed...-a7654276.html

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/education...the-world.html

http://www.thedebrief.co.uk/news/pol...ld-20170366930

[DemolitionRed]

Originally Posted by the truth

We went bankrupt, had the filthiest hospitals in europe where people had record mrsa diseases , record numbers died of clots and 1000s died of thirst and neglect as the public sectors performance and cover ups got ever worse, labour introduced tuition fees, they deregulated the banks which brought on an even worse credit crash, oversaw the housing market collapse, created a bigger gap between rich and poor than for 200 years, introduced 3000 petty laws and endless stealth taxes, encouraged breeding for benefits with their limitless handouts to non working families...treated oaps in care homes worse than prisoners, sold us out to europe, brought in nearly 8 million increased population in 13 years, nearly broke up the UK, destroyed freedom of speech and civil liberties, oh and they killed 1 milllion innocent iraqis on the back of pure lies

Here's an impartial view by economists and non-economists. You should read it https://mainlymacro.blogspot.co.uk/2...dnt-crash.html

[parmnion]

Originally Posted by DemolitionRed

Try googling Tory party paedophiles.

I did.
http://www.conspiracytruths.co.uk/mp...exoffense.html

Check the numbers.

Alec dyer atkins.
Mark trotter
Martin locklyn
George hardins
Derek payne
David spooner
Nicholas green
John winstanly
Mark tann.


All vile disgusting paedophiles and labour.


Can only see 4 paedo related conservatives.

[DemolitionRed]

Originally Posted by MTVN

Corbyn was on air this morning to specifically promote this policy but didn't know the most basic detail about it

He regularly gets caught out not knowing his brief and has to be bailed out by his advisors later, this is not a one off

He's not an economist though is he? May's not an economist either. They have to try and memorize hundreds of different figures, that's why May refuses to answer fiscal questions because she admits she'd never remember the figures.

Corbyn offered to look at his Mac-book but she was having none of it. As someone who works with money and has to run money management meetings on a regular basis, I couldn't go into those meetings without notes. Perhaps I'm a bit stupid (as some on here often imply) or perhaps I'm just human.

[parmnion]

Originally Posted by DemolitionRed

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/ed...-a7654276.html

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/education...the-world.html

http://www.thedebrief.co.uk/news/pol...ld-20170366930

Depends how you judge it..your links doesnt take into account the percentage of salary that gets spent on tuition fees..when you take the uks higher earnings thN other countriea..uk comes out 8th....

http://www.independent.co.uk/student...-a6788436.html

[smudgie]

Originally Posted by DemolitionRed

He's not an economist though is he? May's not an economist either. They have to try and memorize hundreds of different figures, that's why May refuses to answer fiscal questions because she admits she'd never remember the figures.

Corbyn offered to look at his Mac-book but she was having none of it. As someone who works with money and has to run money management meetings on a regular basis, I couldn't go into those meetings without notes. Perhaps I'm a bit stupid (as some on here often imply) or perhaps I'm just human.

I would agree with most of that, other than the fact he was launching the actual policy, that's why he was there, one figure is all he needed to memorise.

[MTVN]

Originally Posted by DemolitionRed

He's not an economist though is he? May's not an economist either. They have to try and memorize hundreds of different figures, that's why May refuses to answer fiscal questions because she admits she'd never remember the figures.

Corbyn offered to look at his Mac-book but she was having none of it. As someone who works with money and has to run money management meetings on a regular basis, I couldn't go into those meetings without notes. Perhaps I'm a bit stupid (as some on here often imply) or perhaps I'm just human.

It's not about being an economist, it's about being prepared and knowing your brief. He knew he was going to be talking about this policy today so he really should not have been caught out on such a basic detail

[DemolitionRed]

Originally Posted by MTVN

It's not about being an economist, it's about being prepared and knowing your brief. He knew he was going to be talking about this policy today so he really should not have been caught out on such a basic detail

We have to agree to disagree.

[smudgie]

Originally Posted by MTVN

It's not about being an economist, it's about being prepared and knowing your brief. He knew he was going to be talking about this policy today so he really should not have been caught out on such a basic detail

Indeed.
It's not like he has to work the figures out even, just memorise it.

[parmnion]

Originally Posted by DemolitionRed

We have to agree to disagree.

What about the paedos though..do you have room under the carpet left?

[Withano]

Looks like the topic moved on a bit, but if you guys are still interested, the legend said this about that

"I didn't have the exact figure in front of me so I was unable to answer that question, for which obviously I apologise, but I don't apologise for what's in the manifesto, and I will explain exactly what the cost is. It's £4.8 billion by the end of the parliament, and it means 1 million children will get free childcare, 30 hours per week between the years of 2 and 4. "

[jaxie]

Wasn't it on the radio? Couldn't he have had notes with what he needed to know if he couldn't remember? It's kind of sloppy, no matter who it is.

[parmnion]

Originally Posted by Withano

Looks like the topic moved on a bit, but if you guys are still interested, the legend said this about that

"I didn't have the exact figure in front of me so I was unable to answer that question, for which obviously I apologise, but I don't apologise for what's in the manifesto, and I will explain exactly what the cost is. It's £4.8 billion by the end of the parliament, and it means 1 million children will get free childcare, 30 hours per week between the years of 2 and 4. "

I wouldnt let any labour government make decisions on my children.

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by Withano

Looks like the topic moved on a bit, but if you guys are still interested, the legend said this about that

"I didn't have the exact figure in front of me so I was unable to answer that question, for which obviously I apologise, but I don't apologise for what's in the manifesto, and I will explain exactly what the cost is. It's £4.8 billion by the end of the parliament, and it means 1 million children will get free childcare, 30 hours per week between the years of 2 and 4. "

It won't even be acknowledged that he apologised sincerely.

The Chancellor was way out on a figure recently but that doesn't get a mention.
At least Corbyn admitted he hadn't prepared for that programme properly by having the figure.

It was not the only figure he would have had to have that day either.
Even had he said,I haven't the figure to hand,sorry I cannot give the exact cost at this time.
The vultures would have still dived in to attack him for even that.

While at the same time ignoring the fact that the Cons and their lying leader,are near all the time,telling no one any of their costings,virtually saying voters have to 'wait and see' no matter how high those costs will be.

One things for sure,if the Cons costs of their policies were only modest or lower than Labour's,they'd be parading them proudly,not deceitfully hiding them from voters.
Voters who have a right to know them too.
Just as they have the right to know the cost Jeremy Corbyn didn't have to hand at that moment in his interview.

[Livia]

Originally Posted by DemolitionRed

And here's what the Tory party have done since 2005
1. Election fraud 30 Tories are facing the prospect of criminal prosecution
2. Longest fall in value of wages since records began
3. Spectacularly missed economic targets
4. The austerity con
5. Massive NHS cuts
6. Systematic abuse of disabled people
7. NHS recruitment crisis
8. Huge rise in child poverty
9. The harshest cuts of all on poor families and children
10. The lowest level of house building since the 1920s
11. Contempt for private sector tenants (voted down a bill to stop slum landlords)
12. Public transport chaos
13. Biggest education funding cuts in decades
14. The school privatization agenda
15. Rip off tuition fees. English students now face the highest fees in the world to study.
16. Huge rise in food bank dependency.
17. The Hinkley Point C Scandal (using tax payers cash!)
18. Social care crisis coincided with the biggest increase in death rate since the 1960’s
19. Defunding of local government
20. Tax-dodging corporate outsourcing parasites
21. Five service cuts 30% on fire services. Closure of 39 fire stations and the loss of 10,000 jobs
22. Police cuts. Axed 34,000 police jobs. Crime has risen by 96% since the cuts.
23. Sweetheart tax deals. Allowing massive tax cuts to companies like Google.
24. The snooper charter. The most extreme state surveillance in the world.
25. Dictators and despots. Sucking up to Islamic tyrants in SA
26. Contempt of human rights.
27. Taxpayer subsidised malice (anti welfare schemes)
28. Rising inequality. The worst collapse in the value of peoples wages on record.
29. U-turn after U-turn
30. Threat of a no deal Brexit.

It would be nice if you mentioned your source. Then we could decide how far from the truth it actually is.

[Livia]

Corbyn wants to be Prime Minister. We should expect him to know the costings for his own manifesto. If May or any of the others make such a show of themselves, I'd be saying the same thing about them.