[Brillopad]

http://www.express.co.uk/comment/exp...mahmood-labour

From the horses mouth so to speak. A Muslim perspective.

[UserSince2005]

to late its already happened, now its only a matter of time before they get you.

[Northern Monkey]

He is right and it's what people have been saying for years.

When we hear "These are not muslims" and "this is not Islam" it's counter intuitive.It's burying our heads in the sand to appear tolerant.The truth is that we shouldn't be tolerant to Islamism and neither should the wider muslim community.
The biggest role to play is from within the muslim community on the ground where this is happening.
Changes in behaviour etc need reporting and watching closely.
Mosques need to be inspected and monitored by people who speak the lingo.Extremist propaganda books and leaflets need to be removed and kept out of Islamic schools and mosques.

[Kizzy]

You mean like trojan horse?

[Brillopad]

Originally Posted by Northern Monkey

He is right and it's what people have been saying for years.

When we hear "These are not muslims" and "this is not Islam" it's counter intuitive.It's burying our heads in the sand to appear tolerant.The truth is that we shouldn't be tolerant to Islamism and neither should the wider muslim community.
The biggest role to play is from within the muslim community on the ground where this is happening.
Changes in behaviour etc need reporting and watching closely.
Mosques need to be inspected and monitored by people who speak the lingo.Extremist propaganda books and leaflets need to be removed and kept out of Islamic schools and mosques.

I Agree NM. If the Muslim community want to be a real and valued part of British society they need to be involved in rooting out the extremists. They need to demonstrate their disdain for the Jihadist mindset by words and actions. One without the other doesn't count for much.

If we are all in this together than we all need to be in this together. Platitudes will not suffice.

[Withano]

Originally Posted by Brillopad

I Agree NM. If the Muslim community want to be a real and valued part of British society they need to be involved in rooting out the extremists. They need to demonstrate their disdain for the Jihadist mindset by words and actions. One without the other doesn't count for much.

If we are all in this together than we all need to be in this together. Platitudes will not suffice.

What have you done to root out extremists? Apart from make angry posts on social media

[Alf]

Originally Posted by Withano

What have you done to root out extremists? Apart from make angry posts on social media

What would you like her to do?

[Brillopad]

Originally Posted by Withano

What have you done to root out extremists? Apart from make angry posts on social media

No one is talking every single individual, that's pretty much impossible. But as British citizens and as a whole Muslims should help to monitor their own as they are in a better position to do so. Is there a reason you think they shouldn't?

[Withano]

Originally Posted by Alf

What would you like her to do?

Exactly what shes suggesting Muslims to do. I'm trying to get to the bottom of it. I'll keep you informed, best friend.

[Withano]

Originally Posted by Brillopad

No one is talking every single individual, that's pretty much impossible. But as British citizens and as a whole Muslims should help to monitor their own as they are in a better position to do so. Is there a reason you think they shouldn't?

So you as an individual don't need to do anything? But others that you have grouped together do? Can you make this clearer pls, I can't have understood that correctly because its complete nonsense.

[Alf]

Originally Posted by Withano

Exactly what shes suggesting Muslims to do. I'm trying to get to the bottom of it. I'll keep you informed, best friend.

Cheers! me old mate!

[Withano]

Originally Posted by Alf

Cheers! me old mate!

I'm none the wiser so far

[Brillopad]

Originally Posted by Withano

So you as an individual don't need to do anything? But others that you have grouped together do? Can you make this clearer pls, I can't have understood that correctly because its complete nonsense.

So you think they should continue to do little. Fair enough but they can't complain if there continues to be a lack of trust can they.

[Withano]

Originally Posted by Brillopad

So you think they should continue to do little. Fair enough but they can't complain if there continues to be a lack of trust can they.

What about those at the Didsbury Mosque and others like them handing out pamphlets supporting ISIS? I don't quite know how I could learn much and report such activities as not only would I stand out like a sore thumb, as a woman I guess I wouldn't even be allowed inside.

I think I understand your point as 'only muslims should monitor muslims, other communities are incapable' (correct me if I'm wrong). So Alf and I was wondering if you can give us a few examples of ways that you're monitoring all white female right wing feminists? You've clearly spent a long time thinking about this.

[Brillopad]

Originally Posted by Withano

I think I understand your point as 'only muslims should monitor muslims, other communities are incapable' (correct me if I'm wrong). So Alf and I was wondering if you can give us a few examples of ways that you're monitoring all white female right wing feminists? You've clearly spent a long time thinking about this.

I don't think Alf was asking just you, your motivations for trying to include Alf being pretty obvious, just like you tried to suggest Kazanne and Livia were against me in another thread. That's pretty sad and if you feel the need to do that I know it isn't me with the problem.

[Kazanne]

Originally Posted by Brillopad

So you think they should continue to do little. Fair enough but they can't complain if there continues to be a lack of trust can they.

Brillo,just don't not worth it girl You've stated your opinion that should be enough,I am sure most people understand what you mean.

[Withano]

Originally Posted by Brillopad

I don't think Alf was asking just you, your motivations for trying to include Alf being pretty obvious, just like you tried to suggest Kazanne and Livia were against me in another thread. That's pretty sad and if you feel the need to do that I know it isn't me with the problem.

None of this is helpful, are you terminating the discussion?

[Withano]

Originally Posted by Kazanne

Brillo,just don't not worth it girl You've stated your opinion that should be enough,I am sure most people understand what you mean.

Hi, do you know what she means, could you tell me?

[Kazanne]

Originally Posted by Withano

Hi, do you know what she means, could you tell me?

LOL ,What,with your vast knowledge I dont need to explain it, you know very well what she means this is a classic form of baiting,I dont know why she was even giving you the time of day,she's a better person than me.Discussion terminated

[Withano]

Originally Posted by Kazanne

LOL ,What,with your vast knowledge I dont need to explain it, you know very well what she means this is a classic form of baiting,I dont know why she was even giving you the time of day,she's a better person than me.Discussion terminated

This isnt baiting im very interested in this, how rude. Its not something I've heard of before and I would like to know more.

My understanding is people should monitor others from their own group and only their group. A bit like segregation but modern and cool. Still needs a bit of a clear up though. Do I ignore suspicious people from other groups, cos like they're not in my group how dare I look at them at all. Also how does one monitor?

[smudgie]

I agree with Mr.Mahmood.
We should all be looking out to keep people safe.
If I overheard a conversation or was aware of someone going to cause injury to anybody I would report them.

[Scarlett.]

Originally Posted by Brillopad

I Agree NM. If the Muslim community want to be a real and valued part of British society they need to be involved in rooting out the extremists. They need to demonstrate their disdain for the Jihadist mindset by words and actions. One without the other doesn't count for much.

If we are all in this together than we all need to be in this together. Platitudes will not suffice.

This latest terrorist, Twatface McGee, was reported by his mosque a number of times to MI5. His friends and some youth workers also reported him.

[Toy Soldier]

For a second I thought you had actually done some proper reading and this thread was going to be about how the west left the door open for ISIS to rise by creating power vacuums in the middle east by bombing it to **** to plunder oil and sell guns.

Now I just feel foolish because, lo and behold, it's more tabloid opinion piece confirmation bias trash. Good link Brillo. Really insightful. Top journalism. .

[smudgie]

Originally Posted by Chewy

This latest terrorist, Twatface McGee, was reported by his mosque a number of times to MI5.

Aye, that needs investigating, big time.
Might be interesting to find out the reason/excuse why it wasn't taken seriously.

[Brillopad]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

For a second I thought you had actually done some proper reading and this thread was going to be about how the west left the door open for ISIS to rise by creating power vacuums in the middle east by bombing it to **** to plunder oil and sell guns.

Now I just feel foolish because, lo and behold, it's more tabloid opinion piece confirmation bias trash. Good link Brillo. Really insightful. Top journalism. .

I don't feel the need to take myself so seriously. This is a forum, somewhere to express our opinions on, amongst other things, politics. I'm not trying to kid myself i am writing a piece for The Times.