[parmnion]

Originally Posted by Dezzy

Words and actions are two different things, people always believe they'd do the heroic thing if the opportunity to arose but most people, in reality, would just watch from the sidelines.

Luckily im not most people.

[Mystic Mock]

Originally Posted by parmnion

What do you mean none of us, i would die to save a kid

Im sure loads know they would as well.

You'd be surprised at how much self-preservation would kick in, even if it was against a child.

[Tom4784]

Originally Posted by parmnion

Luckily im not most people.

Words are easy.

[Toy Soldier]

Wow there hasn't been a good refugee-bashing thread for ages .

[parmnion]

Originally Posted by Dezzy

Words are easy.

So you wouldnt give your child an organ to save them if it meant you dying?

[Brillopad]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

Wow there hasn't been a good refugee-bashing thread for ages .

Have the thousands plus of people coming in all been declared as official refugees then?

[LeatherTrumpet]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

Wow there hasn't been a good refugee-bashing thread for ages .

And there hasnt been a good "try to save face when posters have rather embarrassed themselves by desperately trying to talk about anything other than the fact they were wrong" thread for ages either

[kirklancaster]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

And there hasnt been a good "try to save face when posters have rather embarrassed themselves by desperately trying to talk about anything other than the fact they were wrong" thread for ages either

[jaxie]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

It's not the same thing and none of us know how we would act coming from a situation like that. I just think judging people who have seen and experienced s**t that none of us could even imagine is a bit, well, I just think it's wrong really, we don't know how lucky we are. I have nothing but sympathy for all these people. It's a bit high horse-ish to judge anyone in a situation like that when we were so lucky really to have been born where we were

I see what you are saying and its a good point but I kind of disagree for reasons I've stated that they were already in Europe anyway so relatively safe and that people aren't always selfish when it comes to kids.

I had a situation once where a rogue firework (rocket) flew into the house and straight at a group of children (party). I dived in front and pushed them out of the way, shielding them. Completely instinct and not something I ever thought about doing but it made me realise that it can be instinct to do the right thing. I hasten to add my own child wasn't in the direct line of fire either. So I don't really agree that people always put themselves first.

[Tom4784]

Originally Posted by parmnion

So you wouldnt give your child an organ to save them if it meant you dying?

That's a completely different scenario to the one you described before? 'Dying to save a kid' is a world away from 'giving your child an organ at the expense of your own life'. You can't switch the goalposts like that to suit your argument.

The vast majority of people would not give their lives for a child that isn't theirs', like I said before, most people are destined to be observers, not heroes.

A person's own child on the other hand is completely different, a sizable amount of parents have the biological need to protect their children at all costs, a lt of parents would sacrifice themselves if it meant their child could live.

Not quite sure what any of this has to do with the thread mind, nor why the discussion has shifted to me.

[LeatherTrumpet]

Kids dont want organs these days, its ps4s and xboxs or nowt

[Kizzy]

We don't know is his true age, what we do know is he could've been stopped.

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/u...-a8267601.html

[LeatherTrumpet]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

We don't know is his true age, what we do know is he could've been stopped.

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/u...-a8267601.html

having read that article, what has that do do with migrants lying about their age and then committing terror attacks?

Bearing in mind you are happy to allow this type of person free access to the UK Id have thought you would be addressing that more than looking as others have to discuss anything other than the topic?

[Brillopad]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

We don't know is his true age, what we do know is he could've been stopped.

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/u...-a8267601.html

Sorry Kizzy - but I’m not buying into the blame the Police , blame the system propaganda out there.

If we were not being bullied into taking in anyone en masse, with no known history, that potentially pose a security risk to us all by the EU, the ideologies of the left and others who support it, many people, including children, would still be alive in Britain and Europe today who are not. We should put the safety of our own first. How many more do we have to sacrifice?

[parmnion]

Originally Posted by Dezzy

That's a completely different scenario to the one you described before? 'Dying to save a kid' is a world away from 'giving your child an organ at the expense of your own life'. You can't switch the goalposts like that to suit your argument.

The vast majority of people would not give their lives for a child that isn't theirs', like I said before, most people are destined to be observers, not heroes.

A person's own child on the other hand is completely different, a sizable amount of parents have the biological need to protect their children at all costs, a lt of parents would sacrifice themselves if it meant their child could live.

Not quite sure what any of this has to do with the thread mind, nor why the discussion has shifted to me.

What are you on about, i didnt paint any pictures..i just said i would die to save a kids life...then you basically said i nor anyone else would when it came down to it.


I dont know why you feel the need to try and disprove that i would..seems very strange.

[Mystic Mock]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

Kids dont want organs these days, its ps4s and xboxs or nowt

For me it's PS4's, Switch, 3DS, a roof over my head, and interaction with my family over TV Shows and Politics.

[Mystic Mock]

Originally Posted by parmnion

What are you on about, i didnt paint any pictures..i just said i would die to save a kids life...then you basically said i nor anyone else would when it came down to it.


I dont know why you feel the need to try and disprove that i would..seems very strange.

Tbf it wasn't just Dezzy that was saying about people being observers and not heroes argument, I agree with him that most of us are selfish and would not risk our lives for strangers, even if they was a child.

I personally anyway wouldn't see myself as the heroic type, I know that is probably an evil thing to say, but I think that if most people were being honest, they'd probably be the same as me.

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

having read that article, what has that do do with migrants lying about their age and then committing terror attacks?

Bearing in mind you are happy to allow this type of person free access to the UK Id have thought you would be addressing that more than looking as others have to discuss anything other than the topic?

We have no proof he has lied... we have proof there was room for improvement prior to the attack.

What type of person, terrorists?... No LT I'm not.
What a silly troll like thing to say.

[LeatherTrumpet]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

We have no proof he has lied... we have proof there was room for improvement prior to the attack.

What type of person, terrorists?... No LT I'm not.
What a silly troll like thing to say.

i cant even be bothered to look at some of your comments during the Calais thing but i think other members will get my jist...

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

We have no proof he has lied... we have proof there was room for improvement prior to the attack.

What type of person, terrorists?... No LT I'm not.
What a silly troll like thing to say.

It comes back to what I have said for a while, not everyone in the public sector does a good job, sometimes things are missed, human error is also a factor, I'm not sure we should be demonising the people who try to keep us safe over those that wish us harm? We don't really know why this guy was missed, any more than we know why the guy who attacked people on London Bridge was missed given he was on a C4 docu waving his ISIS flag, maybe it comes back to not wanting to be seen as racist who knows

[Kazanne]

Originally Posted by Mystic Mock

Tbf it wasn't just Dezzy that was saying about people being observers and not heroes argument, I agree with him that most of us are selfish and would not risk our lives for strangers, even if they was a child.

I personally anyway wouldn't see myself as the heroic type, I know that is probably an evil thing to say, but I think that if most people were being honest, they'd probably be the same as me.

You'de be surprised what people would do on the spur of the moment Mocky,people have even died saving their animals, it's just instinct I think.

[DemolitionRed]

Originally Posted by Oliver_W

I suggest there's a whole planet out there, with bigger and emptier countries than ours, and there's no reason we should take the burden at all.

Turkey was number 1 for taking 2.4 million Syrian, Iraqi, Afghani and Somalian refugees. Lebanon opened its doors to 1 million and Jordan took 665,000. Germany 749,309, Italy and Greece took 355,361 and the US took 559,37O. We took 168,978 and turned away a further 21,000 applications for asylum.

Yes, yes, we are only a small island but The Geneva Convention is a a United Nations agreement that the UK is signed up to and so long as we are part of the UN and we will be when we leave the EU, we are still obliged to take what the UN decide is our quota.

[Brillopad]

Originally Posted by DemolitionRed

Turkey was number 1 for taking 2.4 million Syrian, Iraqi, Afghani and Somalian refugees. Lebanon opened its doors to 1 million and Jordan took 665,000. Germany 749,309, Italy and Greece took 355,361 and the US took 559,37O. We took 168,978 and turned away a further 21,000 applications for asylum.

Yes, yes, we are only a small island but The Geneva Convention is a a United Nations agreement that the UK is signed up to and so long as we are part of the UN and we will be when we leave the EU, we are still obliged to take what the UN decide is our quota.

And to hell with the consequences.

[DemolitionRed]

Originally Posted by Brillopad

And to hell with the consequences.

Says the woman who believes it was the EU who made us take the refugees!!

[kirklancaster]

Originally Posted by DemolitionRed

Turkey was number 1 for taking 2.4 million Syrian, Iraqi, Afghani and Somalian refugees. Lebanon opened its doors to 1 million and Jordan took 665,000. Germany 749,309, Italy and Greece took 355,361 and the US took 559,37O. We took 168,978 and turned away a further 21,000 applications for asylum.

Yes, yes, we are only a small island but The Geneva Convention is a a United Nations agreement that the UK is signed up to and so long as we are part of the UN and we will be when we leave the EU, we are still obliged to take what the UN decide is our quota.

And name any one of those countries which are not now ********* up in at LEAST one way BECAUSE of their intake.