[Withano]

Originally Posted by jaxie

I'm feeling this a lot lately with my own posts. Had several pages of a thread the other day where people were assuming I'd said all kinds of unrelated things apart from what I actually said. And you think to yourself are people actually reading the words or is there some sort of weird forum translator I'm not party to that changes the words you typed but don't show you the changes.

I also find people will lump you in with the politics they think you share. Personally I have equal disillusion with both sides of the main parties and various of the other small groups but because I will speak up when things seem unjustified or unbalanced to me, and I'm pro Brexit, people think I'm on the right, although I could argue that a true socialist should be Brexit all the way. It seems to me that most people in politics are an insincere bunch of crooks. It's funny though if I say something nice or fair about May or the government I'm considered a raging Tory yet everyone totally missed my saying Corbyn came over well on the One Show the other day. The forum gets more and more like the twilight zone every time I look in.

Ah I did put the 'left'/'right' analogy in inverted commas cos it was just used to fill in for my lack of a better phrase. I had no idea how you voted in the referundum, and I had no idea how you intended on voting in the election. I cant imagine many people identify as 'left' or 'right' on tibb, i was just making a point of it seeming like this side and the other side.

[Withano]

Originally Posted by Ammi

....Maru.... your posts always have so much thought in seeing so much from different perspectives....



...I do sometimes wonder Withano, do people/posters even see each other anymore because what has stood out in the threads I have read is that people are just 'put into boxes' based on their politics...we are all living in a world of fear and totally united in that/as one with that...but we have different thoughts of what we think will bring the changes needed...pointing fingers at each other just makes for circles of pointless discussions/..(I know you've taught so it's like those awful situations when you can get into real negative times with a child and then neither of you are really listening to each other anymore because you need to find a point you can both begin on to achieve something positive..?..)...(probably an awful analogy but oh well..)...

..anyways I fairly much agree with Sheriff..if any specific single posts are thought to 'cross the line' and are found to be disturbing in some way then report them, there is no need to point fingers...it's just a pointless thing to do and just contributes equally as negatively to the whole thing...and of course, it's exactly what terrorism strives for/to divide us and try to envelope us in the 'hate' thrive on....

I know what you mean, Ammi. People quoting posts, and the response being 'this has nothing to do with my post' is becoming increasingly common, and maybe thats because people have predetermined the context. Ive been on both sides of that, I think a lot of people have.
I do think Big Brother might settle this a little, because the divide would be less obvious. 'Rights' and 'lefts' will unite in their opinions on some of the housemates, some of the time.
And then, after BB and CBB, I cant see any other political milestone causing huge upset to either side until the next US elections.

[parmnion]

If we were sitting watchng all this on bb we would be pointing and laughing.

[Toy Soldier]

Originally Posted by parmnion

If we were sitting watchng all this on bb we would be pointing and laughing.

At whom, prithee?

[Northern Monkey]

Originally Posted by jaxie

I'm feeling this a lot lately with my own posts. Had several pages of a thread the other day where people were assuming I'd said all kinds of unrelated things apart from what I actually said. And you think to yourself are people actually reading the words or is there some sort of weird forum translator I'm not party to that changes the words you typed but don't show you the changes.

I also find people will lump you in with the politics they think you share. Personally I have equal disillusion with both sides of the main parties and various of the other small groups but because I will speak up when things seem unjustified or unbalanced to me, and I'm pro Brexit, people think I'm on the right, although I could argue that a true socialist should be Brexit all the way. It seems to me that most people in politics are an insincere bunch of crooks. It's funny though if I say something nice or fair about May or the government I'm considered a raging Tory yet everyone totally missed my saying Corbyn came over well on the One Show the other day. The forum gets more and more like the twilight zone every time I look in.

Your posts suggest to me that you think very much like i do.Except instead of a raging Tory i'm lumped into the 'fence sitter' camp
That may actually be true however as i have slagged Corbyn and Abbott off no end but am voting Labour
Tbh i am genuinely confused with left/right/centre.I'm not on either side.Strongly anti lefty liberal but agree with nationalisation but even more strongly anti Tory.

It's fecking confusing.I'm genuinely lost.

[Toy Soldier]

Originally Posted by Northern Monkey

Your posts suggest to me that you think very much like i do.Except instead of a raging Tory i'm lumped into the 'fence sitter' camp
That may actually be true however as i have slagged Corbyn and Abbott off no end but am voting Labour
Tbh i am genuinely confused with left/right/centre.I'm not on either side.Strongly anti lefty liberal but agree with nationalisation but even more strongly anti Tory.

It's fecking confusing.I'm genuinely lost.

Meh. I'm lumped in as a Corbynite when I've never voted labour in my entire life, and as a Sturgeon stan when I'm actually against a huge chunk of SNP policy but recognise that - regardless of independence - keeping the SNP in power is the only way to stop the Conservatives shafting Scotland even harder than Thatcher did, when Scottish towns are still littered with the aftershocks of Thatcherism.

[Northern Monkey]

The world is showing cracks and it's reflected in here and some political forums I sometimes read.The differing opinions and points raised aren't much different wherever you go and from what i've seen this place seems tame compared to some.

[parmnion]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

At whom, prithee?

No...us the forum, acting like know alls arguing all the time.

[Toy Soldier]

Originally Posted by parmnion

No...us the forum, acting like know alls arguing all the time.

Thilly thauthages, the bunch of us

[Kizzy]

I dislike the presumption those who find the sometimes OTT right wing voices distasteful just haven't considered where they are coming from :/

When you consider the left portion of the forum are lumped as the 'PC brigade' it's a bit rich to suggest that imo.

As said some DO cross the line, it's felt that on here as well as nationally that is becoming increasingly acceptable.
As a left wing voice of the forum I make no apologies for speaking as I find regarding the tone of certain threads by certain members.

[Brillopad]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

I dislike the presumption those who find the sometimes OTT right wing voices distasteful just haven't considered where they are coming from :/

When you consider the left portion of the forum are lumped as the 'PC brigade' it's a bit rich to suggest that imo.

As said some DO cross the line, it's felt that on here as well as nationally that is becoming increasingly acceptable.
As a left wing voice of the forum I make no apologies for speaking as I find regarding the tone of certain threads by certain members.

Let me get this right - so some can speak as they find on some subjects - but only if approved by you.

[Kizzy]

Hey you can say what you like, if it highlights your prejudice and I comment on that you can own it or don't, that's your issue.

[Brillopad]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

Hey you can say what you like, if it highlights your prejudice and I comment on that you can own it or don't, that's your issue.

As long as it works both ways - in my experience it rarely does.

[Kizzy]

That's fine ... I didn't expect you to attempt to see things from MY perspective. I am the PC.

[Brillopad]

All this drama because some only support 'free speech' when it agrees with them. Then be sure to make it as combatant as you can with a fistful of ********** in every paragraph. Way to go!

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by UserSince2005

At the end of the day, some people are just speaking sense and from the heart, about our current predicament.

Its people's opinions. This is a forum, by definition, a discussion of opinions. Just because you hypersensitively perceive them to be racist doesn't mean they are.

Some people don't bury their heads in the sand, and they should not be accused of evil intent for not doing so.

No, there is no "sense" to be had. Those comments are coming from a place of bigotry and hatred.

[DemolitionRed]

I use another forum group where the left have their own group and discuss left wing politics and the right have their own group and discuss right wing politics. Sometimes the left will wander into the right wing group and visa versa and that's when things get heated but when it all gets too much, they can return to their own group and get their sense of belonging back.

This is a very small forum group and so its probably not possible and anyway, I think a lot of people only come here because they enjoy an argument. I often think, this place isn't a healthy or life realistic environment. People do say things online that they would only say in a hushed voice with a like minded person, if they were out in say, Costa coffee. I mean, if I heard someone on the tube speaking like some of the people on here sometimes speak, I'd be nailing their bottom lip to the floor and I'm not even a violent person.

I'm not really sure why I come here. I mean, I've tried to leave once or twice but I always end up coming back. Perhaps I thrive on the frustration hehe!

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by DemolitionRed

I use another forum group where the left have their own group and discuss left wing politics and the right have their own group and discuss right wing politics. Sometimes the left will wander into the right wing group and visa versa and that's when things get heated but when it all gets too much, they can return to their own group and get their sense of belonging back.

This is a very small forum group and so its probably not possible and anyway, I think a lot of people only come here because they enjoy an argument. I often think, this place isn't a healthy or life realistic environment. People do say things online that they would only say in a hushed voice with a like minded person, if they were out in say, Costa coffee. I mean, if I heard someone on the tube speaking like some of the people on here sometimes speak, I'd be nailing their bottom lip to the floor and I'm not even a violent person.

I'm not really sure why I come here. I mean, I've tried to leave once or twice but I always end up coming back. Perhaps I thrive on the frustration hehe!

Could you take TS to this forum so he can mingle with like minded people I fear he will do himself a mischief on here

[Toy Soldier]

Originally Posted by DemolitionRed

I'm not really sure why I come here.

I keep asking myself this and the only concrete reasons I've been able to come up with are "boredom" and "habit" .

[Cherie]

Isn't DM always saying how tame it is in here and how other forums let her speak her mind, yet she is always threatening people with ignore so we can't be that tame..I'm confused

[Northern Monkey]

Originally Posted by DemolitionRed

I use another forum group where the left have their own group and discuss left wing politics and the right have their own group and discuss right wing politics. Sometimes the left will wander into the right wing group and visa versa and that's when things get heated but when it all gets too much, they can return to their own group and get their sense of belonging back.

This is a very small forum group and so its probably not possible and anyway, I think a lot of people only come here because they enjoy an argument. I often think, this place isn't a healthy or life realistic environment. People do say things online that they would only say in a hushed voice with a like minded person, if they were out in say, Costa coffee. I mean, if I heard someone on the tube speaking like some of the people on here sometimes speak, I'd be nailing their bottom lip to the floor and I'm not even a violent person.

I'm not really sure why I come here. I mean, I've tried to leave once or twice but I always end up coming back. Perhaps I thrive on the frustration hehe!

That forum sounds like fun.Kind of small skirmish attacks into the opposite camp instead of all out war.What do the centrists do though?

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by Northern Monkey

That forum sounds like fun.Kind of small skirmish attacks into the opposite camp instead of all out war.What do the centrists do though?

They have to make do with sitting in the lobby?

[Withano]

Originally Posted by Northern Monkey

That forum sounds like fun.Kind of small skirmish attacks into the opposite camp instead of all out war.What do the centrists do though?

No such thing as centrists, they're just spies that feed information to their real side about all the dumb stuff the other side are saying.

[Northern Monkey]

Originally Posted by Cherie

They have to make do with sitting in the lobby?

They sit on the fence that divides the two sides

[Mystic Mock]

Originally Posted by Ammi

.....I recall reading many articles after the unthinkable happened of Donald Trump being elected..?...and the thing that came across more than anything else was how 'invisible' many had felt in their fears and concerns and in their problems and how in-listened to they felt they were...that I think is a very 'dangerous world' to live in ....just look where it's all leading atm for the whole human race, how much it's contributing....

Tbf Donald Trump didn't even get the most votes from the American people, it was the small rural States that swung him a narrow win.