[DemolitionRed]

What about us, should we have human rights? think about that.
Anyway, it will be an interesting police state; the police hate her as much as we do.

[T*]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

Anyone who believes that this will only erode the rights of "terrorists" is an idiot. A flat out idiot.

This
I'm not a politics fan or anything but ffs do some of you not know what you're sleep walking into!??

[Toy Soldier]

Originally Posted by DemolitionRed

What about us, should we have human rights? think about that.

Not if it means terrorists do any terrorist things! I personally would accept a daily waterboarding if it meant we could deport everyone.

[Kazanne]

Originally Posted by DemolitionRed

What about us, should we have human rights? think about that.
Anyway, it will be an interesting police state; the police hate her as much as we do.

She has said,she will alter the laws for terrorists human rights if she needs to,people really need to listen more and stop panicking,and please don't speak for me,I don't hate her,I don't hate any of them,why would I ?I don't know them.

[Toy Soldier]

Originally Posted by Kazanne

She has said,she will alter the laws for terrorists human rights if she needs to,people really need to listen more and stop panicking

The only people who are "panicking" are those who think that even the suggestion of accepting a reduction in our rights is acceptable because they are so overwhelmingly terrified of terrorist attacks. People fought tooth and nail for centuries to achieve the rights we have today... and now people are willing to give them away - APPLAUD giving them away - for the temporary illusion of peace of mind? I don't know. Maybe we've become spoiled. Maybe we take our rights and freedoms for granted.

Those of us who are disgusted by the idea of the government selectively "removing rights" and "changing laws" as suits are not panicking. We're watching a very, very slow car crash and doing this: .

and please don't speak for me,I don't hate her,I don't hate any of them,why would I ?I don't know them.

Are you a police officer, Kazanne?

[DemolitionRed]

This isn't just to do with terrorists and I honestly pity those who think it is TS.

Which of the rights enshrined in the ECHR does May think the British people are better off without? Do we have an answer to that question? And why are people under the impression that the ECHR has everything to do with the EU? Its a document inspired by Churchill, drafted by British lawyers.

[Toy Soldier]

Originally Posted by DemolitionRed

This isn't just to do with terrorists and I honestly pity those who think it is TS.

Which of the rights enshrined in the ECHR does May think the British people are better off without? Do we have an answer to that question? And why are people under the impression that the ECHR has everything to do with the EU? Its a document inspired by Churchill, drafted by British lawyers.

I don't pity them; I pity those of us who appreciate them and are going to lose them anyway because of the anxiety of the masses.

Those who are happy to see them go, I hope are the very first to suffer for losing them.

[Northern Monkey]

I'm all for taking away terrorists 'human' rights however anything like that would have to be scrutinised thoroughly in Parliament and the Lords and you can bet it will be in the media, to make sure it doesn't affect the average human.

I think we have to be wary certainly that absolutely anything doesn't get passed but i also think there's a certain amount of paranoia that the government are trying to turn Britain into some Orwellian distopian nightmare.Why would they want to?They can't even track the 23,000 jihadis we already have.Why would they want to add even more work to their load by tracking and locking up the other 65 million people.

[Withano]

Originally Posted by Brillopad

Long overdue - but this is a step in the right direction.

you cant be serious

[Withano]

"WE NEED TO FIGHT TERRORISM"

"Hmm. Lets lose a load of the police force, and abolish human rights"

"Excellent idea, long overdue"

Its genuinely got to the point that people will support tories in whatever they do.

[Toy Soldier]

Originally Posted by Northern Monkey

I'm all for taking away terrorists 'human' rights however anything like that would have to be scrutinised thoroughly in Parliament and the Lords and you can bet it will be in the media, to make sure it doesn't affect the average human.

You can't, though, any changes made to human rights laws apply to everyone. That's sort of the point. Of course it will affect the average human. Happily allowing them to change these things in one way sets a precident for them to change all sort of other rights in any way they want. So yeah... today they use the rhetoric of terrorism: WOOP WOOP! Yay! Get 'em! No human rights for terrorists. Or whatever.

The point is; that's just today. Tomorrow it'll be disability rights, the right to a basic sustenance income, workers rights... not all of them and not straight away but the point is, they will take it as a mandate to change anything they want to change, to fit any agenda they have at the time.

Scrutinized in the Lords? No, they've already shown that they're willing to dodge around that and are actively trying to erode / dismantle the HoL. Scrutinized in the media? Nope. Tell them it's "all for the greater good" and people will lap it up.

I think we have to be wary certainly that absolutely anything doesn't get passed but i also think there's a certain amount of paranoia that the government are trying to turn Britain into some Orwellian distopian nightmare.Why would they want to?They can't even track the 23,000 jihadis we already have.Why would they want to add even more work to their load by tracking and locking up the other 65 million people.

I know you used the term but do you actually know the basic premise of Orwell? Of course they don't have the resources to track and lock everyone away. That's the whole point. The entire concept of "Big Brother is watching" is that it's a method of control that means they don't HAVE to do much... because the knowledge that they can is enough to keep people obedient and under control.

[jaxie]

My son is raging about this today. I'm a bit more philosophical remembering just how difficult it was to deport Abu Qatada. If it means changing the law to be able to get rid of people spreading hateful ideaology it might be worth it.

Oh and I don't pity anyone with a different view or think they are an idiot.

[Vicky.]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

Anyone who believes that this will only erode the rights of "terrorists" is an idiot. A flat out idiot.

Sorry I have to agree with this. Do people not realize this is your own rights being eroded?! Jesus...

[Toy Soldier]

Originally Posted by jaxie

Oh and I don't pity anyone with a different view or think they are an idiot.

No need for pointed comments jaxie .

[jaxie]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

No need for pointed comments jaxie .

No there isn't TS.

[parmnion]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

we'll that's me convinced. Cut off the Internet immediately Mummy May.

Nah, give them the platform they need to plan and recruit...wait until lots mote die a horrible death first..then maybe deal with it.

[Tom4784]

Anyone that praises the destruction of Human Rights out of fear are basically taking a dump on the graves of every soldier, activist and individual that died to help create and protect those rights. It's a ****ing disgrace and people who support this should be ashamed.

[jaxie]

I am not convinced that the changing of a law is always a bad thing. Why can't some things be touched or improved upon? How do any laws ever come into force if governments don't look at them and look for flaws in them?

All this panic over the suggestion of looking at it seems a bit OTT to me.

The EU kept saying, we can't change treaties, they have since talked about changing treaties.

[King Gizzard]

This was on her agenda regardless of terrorism. But now she has a reason to pass it without much opposition because anyone who opposes it in the house will be labelled a terrorist sympathiser

1984 is about to become non fiction

[Tom4784]

Originally Posted by jaxie

I am not convinced that the changing of a law is always a bad thing. Why can't some things be touched or improved upon? How do any laws ever come into force if governments don't look at them and look for flaws in them?

All this panic over the suggestion of looking at it seems a bit OTT to me.

The EU kept saying, we can't change treaties, they have since talked about changing treaties.

It should only be expanded upon to provide more rights, never to take them away. Taking away rights is basically like waving a white flag at terrorism. We will have already lost if that's the case.

Reduced human rights only benefits the government, to think it would have an impact on terrorism is gullible to the extreme. We are the only ones who will suffer because of it because increased surveillance and a controlled internet will only be used to consolidate the Government's power, not root out terrorism.

Human Rights are something we should fight to protect. We shouldn't be giving them up out of hysterical fear.

[Jack_]

Originally Posted by Withano

Its genuinely got to the point that people will support tories in whatever they do.

I've been saying this for weeks, they can literally do or say anything they like and the electorate will lap it up. It's ****ing frightening.

It is beyond all comprehension that people think this is an exciting idea. Well, who am I kidding? It's not really, but Jesus Christ we really are sleeping walking into a dystopian nightmare. This deplorable **** is about to be gifted a carte blanche landslide mandate to dismantle our public services, sell them off to the highest bidder, and rip up people's long-fought for rights in the name of anti-terror. I think some people forget that the concept of human rights are universal, they're not dealt out like treats to children when they've 'earned' them. Either we all have them, or we all don't. It's like yesterday when people were banging on about Sadiq Khan 'defending' a 9/11 conspirator. Funnily enough, he was a lawyer and that was his job. Yes, even the most reprehensible people are entitled to a fair hearing. It honestly scares me that people think otherwise.

This election is a living nightmare, and I couldn't hate this country and its people anymore than I do now. Seriously, get me the **** out of here.

[Brillopad]

Originally Posted by Withano

"WE NEED TO FIGHT TERRORISM"

"Hmm. Lets lose a load of the police force, and abolish human rights"

"Excellent idea, long overdue"

Its genuinely got to the point that people will support tories in whatever they do.

What about our rights not be killed or maimed by terrorists? What about our rights to go about our business without having to look over our shoulders, what about our rights not to have to think twice about taking the kids to London, what about our rights to feel safe in our own country and not have to even think about ISIS terrorists attacking every time we go on the trains/underground trains etc, the list goes on.

Do you care about the rights of terrorists then? I don't!

[Toy Soldier]

Originally Posted by Jack_

I've been saying this for weeks, they can literally do or say anything they like and the electorate will lap it up. It's ****ing frightening.

It is beyond all comprehension that people think this is an exciting idea. Well, who am I kidding? It's not really, but Jesus Christ we really are sleeping walking into a dystopian nightmare. This deplorable **** is about to be gifted a carte blanche landslide mandate to dismantle our public services, sell them off to the highest bidder, and rip up people's long-fought for rights in the name of anti-terror. I think some people forget that the concept of human rights are universal, they're not dealt out like treats to children when they've 'earned' them. Either we all have them, or we all don't. It's like yesterday when people were banging on about Sadiq Khan 'defending' a 9/11 conspirator. Funnily enough, he was a lawyer and that was his job. Yes, even the most reprehensible people are entitled to a fair hearing. It honestly scares me that people think otherwise.

This election is a living nightmare, and I couldn't hate this country and its people anymore than I do now. Seriously, get me the **** out of here.

Right there with you. We're literally already considering our future prospects for getting the he'll out of the UK. It's something we've thought about for a while but were always on the "but everywhere else is going the same way anyway" page. However, it's getting past that now. The UK is going to be significantly worse than the US / Canada and other English-speaking countries.

[Brillopad]

Originally Posted by Jack_

I've been saying this for weeks, they can literally do or say anything they like and the electorate will lap it up. It's ****ing frightening.

It is beyond all comprehension that people think this is an exciting idea. Well, who am I kidding? It's not really, but Jesus Christ we really are sleeping walking into a dystopian nightmare. This deplorable **** is about to be gifted a carte blanche landslide mandate to dismantle our public services, sell them off to the highest bidder, and rip up people's long-fought for rights in the name of anti-terror. I think some people forget that the concept of human rights are universal, they're not dealt out like treats to children when they've 'earned' them. Either we all have them, or we all don't. It's like yesterday when people were banging on about Sadiq Khan 'defending' a 9/11 conspirator. Funnily enough, he was a lawyer and that was his job. Yes, even the most reprehensible people are entitled to a fair hearing. It honestly scares me that people think otherwise.

This election is a living nightmare, and I couldn't hate this country and its people anymore than I do now. Seriously, get me the **** out of here.

Dystopian nightmare - more conspiracy theories gone mad.

[Withano]

Originally Posted by Brillopad

What about our rights not be killed or maimed by terrorists? What about our rights to go about our business without having to look over our shoulders, what about our rights not to have to think twice about taking the kids to London, what about our rights to feel safe in our own country and not have to even think about ISIS terrorists attacking every time we go on the trains/underground trains etc, the list goes on.

Do you care about the rights of terrorists then? I don't!

Ohhhhh so tories can take our human rights because terrorists do too.