[smudgie]

Originally Posted by jet

Only yours.

Corbyn is well known in N Ireland as an IRA sympathiser.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/poli...IRA-links.html

Do you condemn his links to terrorism? His IRA buddies with links to Sinn Fein including their leader McGuiness killed and maimed thousands of innocent people, including women and children.
Much as I dislike the DUP, they are nothing compared to Sinn Fein and their buddies the murderous IRA.

Educate yourself before you pontificate about a country you haven't lived in all your life like I have. Perhaps if you had friends killed by the IRA you wouldn't think Corbyn such a great guy. That great guy spoke at rallies every year commemorating the loss of IRA killers. He makes me sick.

Good to see it from somebody who lives there and actually witnessed it Jet.
People only see what they want to and skip over the other stuff, or pass it off as fake news or whatever the buzzword of the day is.

[DemolitionRed]

Originally Posted by jet

Only yours.

Corbyn is well known in N Ireland as an IRA sympathiser.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/poli...IRA-links.html

Do you condemn his links to terrorism? His IRA buddies with links to Sinn Fein including their leader McGuiness killed and maimed thousands of innocent people, including women and children.
Much as I dislike the DUP, they are nothing compared to the murderous IRA.

Educate yourself before you pontificate about a country you haven't lived in all your life like I have. Perhaps if you had friends killed by the IRA you wouldn't think Corbyn such a great guy. That great guy spoke at rallies every year commemorating the loss of IRA killers. He makes me sick.

How about you educating yourself? The topic about Corbyn and his supposed or not relationship with Sinn Fein has been talked about and argued about on here to tedious levels. Enough government links have been added and supplied to this site. (you need to go and find them yourself now if you really do want to be educated about this) to prove your accusations are 100% incorrect.

I'll say it one more time but the rest is up to you to research; if it wasn't for people like Corbyn, Mo Mowlam and others, (under government instruction) having peace negotiations with Sinn Fein; Good Friday wouldn't of happened and the IRA would probably still be bombing the UK

[bitontheslide]

Originally Posted by Kazanne

What about David Davies?

David Davis is a possibility. I would have liked Amber to get the job, but her seat majority is to small, it would be too risky.

Whoever it is, i think it needs to be someone who voted to leave the EU. It also needs to be someone more willing to listen to consensus.

[smudgie]

Originally Posted by DemolitionRed

How about you educating yourself? The topic about Corbyn and his supposed or not relationship with Sinn Fein has been talked about and argued about on here to tedious levels. Enough government links have been added and supplied to this site. (you need to go and find them yourself now if you really do want to be educated about this) to prove your accusations are 100% incorrect.

I'll say it one more time but the rest is up to you to research; if it wasn't for people like Corbyn, Mo Mowlam and others, (under government instruction) having peace negotiations with Sinn Fein; Good Friday wouldn't of happened and the IRA would probably still be bombing the UK

Oh dear, so you are still saying that what you believe is true, and anyone else who dares to acknowledge the truth of the matter is uneducated.
You couldn't make it up.
Corbyn not only had NOTHING to do with the peace talks but he actually was against the original ones.
To mention Corbyn and Mo Molam in the same sentence is ludicrous.

[Vicky.]

Erm. is it right that this whole thing could possibly breach the Good Friday Agreement? :/

How can the Government be politically neutral in Northern Ireland under the Good Friday Agreement when it needs the DUP?

[DemolitionRed]

Originally Posted by Vicky.

Erm. is it right that this whole thing could possibly breach the Good Friday Agreement? :/

A hard Brexit and removing Britain from the European Convention on Human Rights would almost certainly destroy the Good Friday Agreement.

[Alf]

Originally Posted by Oliver_W

I see her as a bit of a necessary evil at the moment - unless some random backbencher or minor Cabinet member comes from the woodwork, there's just no suitable alternative right now.


All PMs are unelected. They represent the largest party, the UK doesn't vote for the Prime Minister

[DemolitionRed]

Originally Posted by Jack_

She's a total laughing stock. To lose your parliamentary majority in an election you promised wouldn't be called against an opposition you expected and hoped to sink into oblivion is so embarrassing it is beyond all comprehension. And it couldn't have happened to a nastier woman.

As some commentators were remarking on election night, this is twice now that the Self Servatives have put their own party's vanity before the interests of the country. Cameron gambled on the EU referendum and lost. May gambled on an early election and lost. Are they a political party or a casino? The fact that they're now in effect forming a coalition of chaos with terrorist sympathising bigots is a display of hysterical irony that I'm revelling in. This reprehensible party has once again been exposed for the power thirsty cretins they are, with its leader squatting in number 10 and only offering condolences to the ministers and MPs who lost their seats when pressed to in an interview. This despicable, arrogant cunt wasted £100m of public money in an election that didn't need to be called, and one she couldn't lose, and now her attempt at securing a 'strong and stable' government has left this country in limbo and chaos as we embark upon the most important negotiations in modern British political history. And she has the gall to stand outside number ten and use the threat of Islamic fundamentalism to ingratiate herself with the electorate. She and her disgusting party make me physically ****ing repulsed.

Another passionately angry blog that needs repeating here, just in case someone missed it.

Well said Jack

[jet]

Originally Posted by Vicky.

OK I am still reading up about Irish Politics. But am watching an argument between some Irish friends about Sin Fein and the DUP and I am seeing..





Seems to...depend on which side of the coin you are on?

For a lot of people it does depend on which side of the coin you are on...and therefore a lot of lies/misconceptions are put out there to influence those who haven't lived through it all.
I was born a N.Irish Catholic and I support neither party - Sinn Fein nor DUP. I don't practice my religion. I am on nobody's 'side'. I tell the truth.

What is craziest is people saying that the DUP are not as bad as Sinn Fein because what the IRA were doing was worse.

I dare you to go to a Catholic area of NI and say that.

Read up on the **** the loyalist groups did during the Troubles before you start mouthing off about who was worse.

The DUP to my knowledge have had no murderers or terrorists among them. Not that I've ever heard of anyway. The loyalist paramilitaries support the party for obvious reasons - they want to stay part of the UK and retain their identity and culture as such.
Sinn Fein's own late leader, Martin McGuiness, was Chief of Staff of the IRA at the time 18 British soldiers were killed in Warrenpoint, NI and Mountbatten was assassinated, among many other atrocities. Many Sinn Fein members were IRA related - I'm not sure if this is still the case today.

The Troubles started because the Catholic community felt they didn't have equal rights to Protestants. This was true in some cases when it came to housing and jobs but that was more a social problem than a political one because Catholics had much larger families. Many Catholics didn't want to be ruled over by the British and wanted to identify with the Irish Republic. It's all much more complicated than that but that's the gist of it.

Who was worse, the IRA or the Loyalist Paramilitaries?

To me, the IRA, hands down.

They used bombs to target and kill thousands of innocent people in restaurants, bars, clubs, shops, fun run days out - it didn't matter that innocent woman and children were killed and maimed. Protestant OR Catholic.
Including dear Catholic friends of mine.

The Loyalist Para's? They did a few bombings but mostly targeted Catholics in isolation, many of them just because they happened to be Catholic. Shooting and vicious beatings were their preferred methods.

If it wasn't for the IRA, there would have been no Paramilitaries.

I lived in a Catholic area and have never had a problem from anyone of either religion. I had and still have Protestant friends. If you want trouble, it will find you anywhere.

[smudgie]

Originally Posted by Alf

Hmmmm, I could see him as a leader.
Mind you, you would need at least three hours for PM questions.

[Kazanne]

Originally Posted by DemolitionRed

Another passionately angry blog that needs repeating here, just in case someone missed it.

Well said Jack

I don't read angry blogs as its just that person spouting their hate,give me a sensible truthful post that will do ,like Jets message 34

[Vicky.]

A hell of a lot of Irish people seem angry that people in the rest of the UK don't know anything/much about either party...

I am staying out of it all as as I said, I don't know enough about Irish Politics (seems really complicated...and apparently peace is shaky to start with without Westminster backing one side over another?) but its really fascinating to watch. People on both sides seem so passionate and both sides seem to think the others were horrendous. Its very very different to the politics I know. I am trying to learn by watching others..but my heads getting a bit messed up :S

I don't remember anything about the IRA..either I am too young or I was totally shielded from it, or it didn't affect my area (didn't really watch news when younger either..however apparently 'loyalist' bombing went completely ignored in the UK media which has angered another of my friends...) but my mother claims I was nearly caught up in one of their bombings. In the metrocentre. But they phoned a warning in or something/. All seems a bit weird, if your plan is to just kill people, why warn?!

Sorry if I come across as insensitive on the subject. But I genuinely do want to learn :S

[Jack_]

Originally Posted by Kazanne

I don't read angry blogs as its just that person spouting their hate,give me a sensible truthful post that will do ,like Jets message 34

You mean like the Tories hate for the disabled, foxes, the poor...dare I go on?

Nothing I said is false. Please get me back to be when you can prove it is, and in the meantime quit making indirect jibes. Thanks

[smudgie]

Originally Posted by Vicky.

A hell of a lot of Irish people seem angry that people in the rest of the UK don't know anything/much about either party...

I am staying out of it all as as I said, I don't know enough about Irish Politics (seems really complicated...and apparently peace is shaky to start with without Westminster backing one side over another?) but its really fascinating to watch. People on both sides seem so passionate and both sides seem to think the others were horrendous. Its very very different to the politics I know. I am trying to learn by watching others..but my heads getting a bit messed up :S

I don't remember anything about the IRA..either I am too young or I was totally shielded from it, or it didn't affect my area (didn't really watch news when younger either..however apparently 'loyalist' bombing went completely ignored in the UK media which has angered another of my friends...) but my mother claims I was nearly caught up in one of their bombings. In the metrocentre. But they phoned a warning in or something/. All seems a bit weird, if your plan is to just kill people, why warn?!

Sorry if I come across as insensitive on the subject. But I genuinely do want to learn :S

There is a list on Wikipedia giving details of all the bombings.
Not a pleasant read.

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by DemolitionRed

A hard Brexit and removing Britain from the European Convention on Human Rights would almost certainly destroy the Good Friday Agreement.

It could Vicky.

Re living the past Irish problems helps no one.
The atrocities were awful and unacceptable but unionists whipped up hatred just as much as nationalists did.

We should have moved on by now,with the power sharing peace process and the IRA at long last halting their grossly wrong bombing campaign.

However,Sinn Féin and the Unionists have worked together for heading on near 2 decades now and all should be grateful for that.
Rightly or wrongly, people felt support for the IRA position,minus the killings of course.
While others supported the Unionists cause too, even to the orange order,celebrating yearly the defeat of Catholic causes over 300,yes 300 years earlier, by orange marches parading down Catholic resident areas taunting and baiting.
They still do when they can and have grievances with the parades commission as to no go Catholic areas for such marches.

So if the DUP start to expect favours from the Cons for keeping them in govt or are suspected of getting any special concessions in any way, this could threaten the not taking sides of UK govts as to N Ireland and cause major issues with the hard-earned peace process of over 15 years ago.
It could.

That is why having the DUP officially on board in any capacity as to being tied to the UK govt,is a real risk to stability.
Sinn Féinn have already personal issues with the DUP leader at Stormont anyway.
So the power sharing is having difficulty at present with no agreement for the way forward.

As for Martin Mcguinness,he was deputy first Minister, he worked with the peace process and even worked with Ian Paisley.
His past is chequered of course but his contribution to the peace process,like or detest him,is fact.
Acknowledged by Labour,Conservative govts alike.

[jet]

Originally Posted by DemolitionRed

How about you educating yourself? The topic about Corbyn and his supposed or not relationship with Sinn Fein has been talked about and argued about on here to tedious levels. Enough government links have been added and supplied to this site. (you need to go and find them yourself now if you really do want to be educated about this) to prove your accusations are 100% incorrect.

I'll say it one more time but the rest is up to you to research; if it wasn't for people like Corbyn, Mo Mowlam and others, (under government instruction) having peace negotiations with Sinn Fein; Good Friday wouldn't of happened and the IRA would probably still be bombing the UK

I haven't been on this site for some time, excuse me for being so neglectful.
What accusations are incorrect, exactly?
We in N.Ireland know Corbyn well from long long ago. The article I linked to brings back many memories of Corbyn in the 70's and his speeches at IRA rallies mourning the loss of murderers, witnessed by people who actually live here. Did you even read it?

Corbyn had peace talks with Sinn Fein in the 80's? I bet they did. I wonder what kind of talks they were having. He opposed the Anglo Irish Agreement.

John Hume, David Trimble, Martin McGuiness brought about the Good Friday Agreement. Hume and Trimble were awarded the Nobel Peace prize for their efforts, it was nothing to do with Corbyn.

Bury your head in the sand if you must.

[Vicky.]

Originally Posted by smudgie

There is a list on Wikipedia giving details of all the bombings.
Not a pleasant read.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk...e-1537349.html

The devices are thought to be similar to those planted by the IRA in the Gateshead shopping centre in May.

All I can find about Metro, but it seems yes it did happen. I would have only been 5 or something though

[jet]

Originally Posted by Kazanne

I don't read angry blogs as its just that person spouting their hate,give me a sensible truthful post that will do ,like Jets message 34

Thank you Kazanne. It's hard to some of the misconceptions about what went on in my own country and keep silent. Maybe I should just stop reading.

[smudgie]

Originally Posted by jet

Thank you Kazanne. It's hard to some of the misconceptions about what went on in my own country and keep silent. Maybe I should just stop reading.

Please don't.
It's refreshing to hear about it from someone who was actually living there.
I remember it well,the bombings in England.
I can't imagine the horrors that went on in N.I.

[Kazanne]

Originally Posted by jet

Thank you Kazanne. It's hard to some of the misconceptions about what went on in my own country and keep silent. Maybe I should just stop reading.

Don't stop posting Jet,I want to learn about what went on there , you keep spilling that truth.

[jet]

Originally Posted by joeysteele

It could Vicky.


While others supported the Unionists cause too, even to the orange order,celebrating yearly the defeat of Catholic causes over 300,yes 300 years earlier, by orange marches parading down Catholic resident areas taunting and baiting.
They still do when they can and have grievances with the parades commission as to no go Catholic areas for such marches.

This is a bit one sided Joey. Catholics also have marches to commemorate the Easter Rising (all those years ago!), the IRA Hunger Strikers, Republican Culture etc.
The Protestant Orange parade is the biggest, and before the Troubles many a Catholic brought their kids along for a good day out at the festivities. I went as a kid, and I brought my kids along with our Protestant friends. It wasn't until the Troubles that it all changed.
Actually, the reason the Orangemen parade near Catholic areas is because that was their traditional route when those areas were actually Protestant (and it is just a few areas). Their argument is that it is the Queens Highway and we have always walked this way, why should we have to re - route. Silly really. The Catholics feel the Protestants are taunting them by continuing to march nearby. Also silly really.
As far as I know it's been mainly sorted out by some re - routing and if not Orange bands ceasing playing as they pass a Catholic area.

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by Jack_

She's a total laughing stock. To lose your parliamentary majority in an election you promised wouldn't be called against an opposition you expected and hoped to sink into oblivion is so embarrassing it is beyond all comprehension. And it couldn't have happened to a nastier woman.

As some commentators were remarking on election night, this is twice now that the Self Servatives have put their own party's vanity before the interests of the country. Cameron gambled on the EU referendum and lost. May gambled on an early election and lost. Are they a political party or a casino? The fact that they're now in effect forming a coalition of chaos with terrorist sympathising bigots is a display of hysterical irony that I'm revelling in. This reprehensible party has once again been exposed for the power thirsty cretins they are, with its leader squatting in number 10 and only offering condolences to the ministers and MPs who lost their seats when pressed to in an interview. This despicable, arrogant cunt wasted £100m of public money in an election that didn't need to be called, and one she couldn't lose, and now her attempt at securing a 'strong and stable' government has left this country in limbo and chaos as we embark upon the most important negotiations in modern British political history. And she has the gall to stand outside number ten and use the threat of Islamic fundamentalism to ingratiate herself with the electorate. She and her disgusting party make me physically ****ing repulsed.

Awesome post.

Uncomfortable reading likely for some but all true Jack_
I really do stand impressed with your knowledge and summary of events and your factual take on things too.

[jet]

Originally Posted by joeysteele

Awesome post.

Uncomfortable reading likely for some but all true Jack_
I really do stand impressed with your knowledge and summary of events and your factual take on things too.

Why then Joey did you say elsewhere that you would like Sinn Fein to take their seats at Westminster? There is no doubt at all that they are terrorist sympathisers. As you no doubt know their late leader was the IRA Chief of Staff who ordered murders. He and Gerry Adams attended IRA funerals in plain sight. The DUP, as much as I loathe some of their policies, couldn't touch Sinn Fein for the blood on their hands.

[Toy Soldier]

Originally Posted by jet

Why then Joey did you say elsewhere that you would like Sinn Fein to take their seats at Westminster? There is no doubt at all that they are terrorist sympathisers. As you no doubt know their late leader was the IRA Chief of Staff who ordered murders. He and Gerry Adams attended IRA funerals in plain sight. The DUP, as much as I loathe some of their policies, couldn't touch Sinn Fein for the blood on their hands.

No one is saying that the DUP shouldn't take their seats as normal, though? There's a pretty big difference between that, and them getting a place at the top table when deciding on the biggest issues facing the country. Which is what they will have, formal coalition or not - in fact, they will have even more negotiating power outside of a coalition when they can make requests / demands on an issue-by-issue basis.

Obviously it would be just as much of a problem if Sinn Fein was in that position. But you're arguing a strawman point there. "Sun Fein is worse!!" is really irrelevant to whether or not the DUP being at the center of Westminster is a good idea.

On the absolute most basic of levels, it completely undermines (effectively nullifies??) the Good Friday agreement and I can't understand how anyone could fail to be worried by that alone.

[Brillopad]

Originally Posted by Jack_

She's a total laughing stock. To lose your parliamentary majority in an election you promised wouldn't be called against an opposition you expected and hoped to sink into oblivion is so embarrassing it is beyond all comprehension. And it couldn't have happened to a nastier woman.

As some commentators were remarking on election night, this is twice now that the Self Servatives have put their own party's vanity before the interests of the country. Cameron gambled on the EU referendum and lost. May gambled on an early election and lost. Are they a political party or a casino? The fact that they're now in effect forming a coalition of chaos with terrorist sympathising bigots is a display of hysterical irony that I'm revelling in. This reprehensible party has once again been exposed for the power thirsty cretins they are, with its leader squatting in number 10 and only offering condolences to the ministers and MPs who lost their seats when pressed to in an interview. This despicable, arrogant cunt wasted £100m of public money in an election that didn't need to be called, and one she couldn't lose, and now her attempt at securing a 'strong and stable' government has left this country in limbo and chaos as we embark upon the most important negotiations in modern British political history. And she has the gall to stand outside number ten and use the threat of Islamic fundamentalism to ingratiate herself with the electorate. She and her disgusting party make me physically ****ing repulsed.

If you are going to support the likes of Corbyn who has had known links with terrorist groups for decades don't try and take the moral high ground and cry about May's coalition with 'terrorist sympathising bigots'.

And Corbyn is every bit the power thirsty cretin you accuse May of being. That kind of hypocrisy makes me physically damn repulsed.