[VanessaFeltz.]

May 2015 %6.5 difference between conservatives and labour
June 2017 %2.4 difference between conservatives and labour
if snp does well in scotland again and labour keeps the momentum going we can have the holy duo of labour and snp ruling the country ^.^

[Denver]

The SNP will never get the votes again they will keep losing seats

[Kazanne]

Originally Posted by Rob!

But she didn't win though because otherwise she would have a majority government. Her own party is walking out on her and calling for her to resign. In what possible way is that winning?

Corbyns party have been asking him to resign for ages aswell,he didn't go,so anything can happen.

[Rob!]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

what has been labour's track record?

Completely irrelevant in this conversation but keep trying

[Black Dagger]

He's also made those people look like fools, do you really think they'd have upped their voting share with anybody else in the running to replace him? Teresa is busy making herself like a fool.

[bitontheslide]

Originally Posted by Kazanne

Corbyns party have been asking him to resign for ages aswell,he didn't go,so anything can happen.

TM is in a much more exposed position though. I'm pretty sure she will want to have resigned but just isn't able to at the moment. I would be very surprised if she is still in place come the opening of parliament/start of EU negotiations. She is purely there at the moment to give people behind the scenes time to come up with alternatives.

[Denver]

Originally Posted by Black Dagger

He's also made those people look like fools, do you really think they'd have upped their voting share with anybody else in the running to replace him? Teresa is busy making herself like a fool.

Lets not pretend the voting share was not upped on the false promise of free education

[Black Dagger]

Originally Posted by Adam.

Lets not pretend the voting share was not upped on the false promise of free education

You are not very good with politics and just sound like a broken record.

[Denver]

So tell me why else did the young vote for him?

[bitontheslide]

Originally Posted by Adam.

So tell me why else did the young vote for him?

this is a democracy, no-one needs a reason to vote for anyone and they certainly dont need to justify their voting to anyone.

[MB.]

Turns out they haven't even agreed upon a deal after all!

So, er, what was that about being strong and stable?...

[MB.]

Oh, and the DUP don't work on Sundays, so this should be fun

[parmnion]

Originally Posted by DemolitionRed

Only a very weak government would consider this. The likelihood of the DUP dropping out of this very quickly is astoundingly high.

Labour would need the dup too if they were to form a coalition.

[JTM45]

The DUP issued a statement last night saying that the annoncement from Downing Street that a deal had been reached was incorrect and that the DUP are still in talks with the Tories and that no deal has been finalized as of yet.

Come on Mrs Maybot, give it up! You're a lame duck who's blown it big time and nobody will take you seriously from here on.

[Jack_]

Originally Posted by parmnion

Labour would need the dup too if they were to form a coalition.

In theory yes but it's not essential. If May's Queen's Speech does not pass, then as the official opposition Labour are invited to attempt to form a government and do the same.

This is where it's interesting. Do moderate (LGB) Tories uncomfortable with being propped up by the DUP, vote down the QS but risk putting Corbyn into number ten? All it takes is eight abstentions, noes or crossing the floor and they lose their working majority. The same applies for confidence motions. Which of their principals are more important to them?

So, in the event of a Labour QS, Tory MPs would be faced with a choice: abstain or even vote it up, handing Corbyn the keys, or vote it down and stare another general election in the face, while their party is in disarray. In this scenario Labour actually have the upper hand. There are further problems though, and this is why I'm not sure it's the best strategy for Labour. Say they attempt to govern as a minority, the Tories can then be difficult and vote down legislation in an attempt to show him up as ineffective. Or, alternatively, they abstain and leave him be for the foreseeable, expecting the Brexit negotiations to be a disaster, giving them attack lines on a plate ready for the next election.

I expect May's QS to pass but how long can this go on for? It's unworkable.

[JTM45]

It's amazing that May managed to convince people that she was ''Strong and Stable'' for as long as she did.
It's hilarious that the reason that the majority of Britain is now fully aware of how useless she actually is because SHE went back on her word (something she loves to do) and called for a snap General Election and in the very short build-up to said election she did pretty much nothing while Corbyn used that time amazingly well to pull off one of the biggest turn-arounds in UK Political history! Legend.

[Brillopad]

Originally Posted by JTM45

It's amazing that May managed to convince people that she was ''Strong and Stable'' for as long as she did.
It's hilarious that the reason that the majority of Britain is now fully aware of how useless she actually is because SHE went back on her word (something she loves to do) and called for a snap General Election and in the very short build-up to said election she did pretty much nothing while Corbyn used that time amazingly well to pull off one of the biggest turn-arounds in UK Political history! Legend.

All he did was make lots of unworkable promises to get the young voters to vote for him. It's called manipulation.

It's amazing how he managed to convince people how he was working for the many rather than the few for as long as he did.

People believe what they want to at the end of the day if they think they will have more money in their pockets to spend, spend, spend - more beers at the pub or the uni bar.

[JTM45]

Originally Posted by Brillopad

All he did was make lots of unworkable promises to get the young voters to vote for him. It's called manipulation.

It's amazing how he managed to convince people how he was working for the many rather than the few for as long as he did.

People believe what they want to at the end of the day if they think they will have more money in their pockets to spend, spend, spend - more beers at the pub or the uni bar.

Clueless........really.

[Brillopad]

Originally Posted by JTM45

Clueless........really.

Not half as clueless as thinking a terrorist sympathiser would make a good British PM.

[joeysteele]

What is there to talk about and do a deal on.
Either the DUP will vote with this govt.and Mrs May or not.
What likely 'hidden' deals are being talked about and done with the DUP.

There is a simple question,are the DUP demanding perhaps controversial things in return for their support.
If not what's holding up a simple 'yes' to voting with the Cons in parliament.

I have no trust or faith in anything Mrs May does or says,I wouldn't put anything past her at all as to devious activity.

What is holding up the DUP simply saying yes,we are usually natural allies,you can rely on our votes.
What are they asking for that has things dragging on.

Sinn Féinn and most voters,have every right,if they do,to be suspicious and concerned at what Mrs May and the Cons may have to be considering to give to the DUP, for this dubious looking possibly,and worse still dangerous plan to have a N Irish party making any demands from the national UK govt.

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by JTM45

Clueless........really.

Summed up perfectly in 2 words there JTM45.

[Brillopad]

Originally Posted by joeysteele

Summed up perfectly in 2 words there JTM45.

I take that as a compliment from some as they can identify with what the word really means.

[LeatherTrumpet]

sadly 99% of this forum cant remember what being ruled by a socialist government is like

idealism is great but it does not pay bills

people tend to work that out in their 30s, generally

[Toy Soldier]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

sadly 99% of this forum cant remember what being ruled by a socialist government is like

idealism is great but it does not pay bills

people tend to work that out in their 30s, generally

That infers that a Labour coalition would be hard socialist which is flat out false, LT. What some people seem not to realise is that there's a pretty large space between "all out socialism" and "tory austerity".

[Toy Soldier]

Also is no one else seriously concerned about Downing Street quite blatantly deliberately releasing false claims that a deal had been struck? "Accidentally" ffs, "Woops we thought there was a deal but actually I just fell on the release press statement button by an accidents".

It was a blatant attempt to manipulate the public and pretend that things are more under control than they actually are. Yet another backfire for May - things look more out of her control than ever as she's had to resort to telling porkies about the most basic of things.