[bitontheslide]

No deal is done until the deal is done, and even then it may not last 5 minutes

The tories are going through a process that they need to or they would be failing in their duty to the British people, to at least try and form a government.

However, all it will take is a small handful of disaffected tories to stop everything in its tracks.

What are the odds of a re-run of the election in the next 60 days? I would happily put a few quid on that.

[Kizzy]

This is on the rocks thank god

[JTM45]

Originally Posted by bitontheslide

or they would be failing in their duty to the British people

This is what the Tories do best.
Shacking up with a bunch of homophobic, anti-choice, delusional creationist bigots is them failing their duty to the British people. Theresa May calling a snap general election to puff her chest after she specifically said she wouldn't was her failing her duty to the British people.

I could go on.......but if it isn't clear to you by this point.

[Kizzy]

Can you imagine this shower of backward thinkers in parliament?... When she suggested it you cold almost hear the entire nation facepalm!

[Tom4784]

Originally Posted by Brillopad

Why should she - she did better than Corbyn. Sick of people who can't accept a public vote. First Brexit now the election. She won - get over it.

The Tories went from having a majority government to a hung government and a large part of this is down to May who lead a terrible campaign and opted for an election when the Tories didn't need one just to try to crush the competition.

If you think this is a win for the Tories then you don't understand politics. They are in a worse position than they were before, they lost the majority they had previously and it looks like another election will likely be called soon and if that's the case they'll likely lose the minority they had too.

[Brillopad]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

Can you imagine this shower of backward thinkers in parliament?... When she suggested it you cold almost hear the entire nation facepalm!

Entire nation!

[Brillopad]

Originally Posted by Dezzy

The Tories went from having a majority government to a hung government and a large part of this is down to May who lead a terrible campaign and opted for an election when the Tories didn't need one just to try to crush the competition.

If you think this is a win for the Tories then you don't understand politics. They are in a worse position than they were before, they lost the majority they had previously and it looks like another election will likely be called soon and if that's the case they'll likely lose the minority they had too.

All guesswork and bravado. No definites about anything - just supposition.

[Tom4784]

Originally Posted by Kazanne

Corbyns party have been asking him to resign for ages aswell,he didn't go,so anything can happen.

Because Corbyn managed to drum up a lot of public support and they made gains in this election when everybody thought they would be obliterated.

It'll be difficult for anyone in Labour to make a case against Corbyn when it's been shown that he has a strong following and can turn a bad situation around.

[Tom4784]

Originally Posted by Brillopad

All guesswork and bravado. No definites about anything - just supposition.

Are you saying it's not factual that Tories lost seats? Is the fact that they went from a Tory majority to a minority not true? Jesus ****ing Christ, utter delusion on your part if you are gonna try to deny those facts.

[Mitchell]

Originally Posted by Adam.

Tories will make Britian Great again

They will, Theresa ****ed it up by calling this election and now there's likely to be another election which hopefully labour will win and make Britain great again

[Brillopad]

Originally Posted by Mitchell

They will, Theresa ****ed it up by calling this election and now there's likely to be another election which hopefully labour will win and make Britain great again

Great Britain will as good as disappear off the face of the map with Corbyn in charge.

[DemolitionRed]

Originally Posted by JTM45

Clueless........really.

I think Ill stick with the world economists view and not some record that's got stuck.

[DemolitionRed]

Oh dear http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northern-ireland-38301…

If you were in the leadership of Sinn Fein, would you now trust May & Co. to be "honest brokers" in facilitating the negotiations to resume power-sharing government? The structure of the Good Friday Agreement has never been in such peril as it is now.

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by DemolitionRed

Oh dear http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northern-ireland-38301…

If you were in the leadership of Sinn Fein, would you now trust May & Co. to be "honest brokers" in facilitating the negotiations to resume power-sharing government? The structure of the Good Friday Agreement has never been in such peril as it is now.

No I would not, and with good reason, there must be a clause in the good friday agreement that states that this power sharing deal is contrary to any deal on neutrality?... She has screwed up royally and she knows it

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by DemolitionRed

Oh dear http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northern-ireland-38301…

If you were in the leadership of Sinn Fein, would you now trust May & Co. to be "honest brokers" in facilitating the negotiations to resume power-sharing government? The structure of the Good Friday Agreement has never been in such peril as it is now.

No I wouldn't then again I'd never trust a word of May's or her actions.

Also I agree with what Kizzy said too.

[Vicky.]

Originally Posted by Jack_

In theory yes but it's not essential. If May's Queen's Speech does not pass, then as the official opposition Labour are invited to attempt to form a government and do the same.

This is where it's interesting. Do moderate (LGB) Tories uncomfortable with being propped up by the DUP, vote down the QS but risk putting Corbyn into number ten? All it takes is eight abstentions, noes or crossing the floor and they lose their working majority. The same applies for confidence motions. Which of their principals are more important to them?

So, in the event of a Labour QS, Tory MPs would be faced with a choice: abstain or even vote it up, handing Corbyn the keys, or vote it down and stare another general election in the face, while their party is in disarray. In this scenario Labour actually have the upper hand. There are further problems though, and this is why I'm not sure it's the best strategy for Labour. Say they attempt to govern as a minority, the Tories can then be difficult and vote down legislation in an attempt to show him up as ineffective. Or, alternatively, they abstain and leave him be for the foreseeable, expecting the Brexit negotiations to be a disaster, giving them attack lines on a plate ready for the next election.

I expect May's QS to pass but how long can this go on for? It's unworkable.

Yes. I don't really get why Corbyn is doing this. It is NOT a good thing to be in control when Brexit hits properly. Let the Tories sort out their own mess ffs...

[Mitchell]

Originally Posted by Brillopad

Great Britain will as good as disappear off the face of the map with Corbyn in charge.

And it'll all be Theresa May's fault for calling an unnecessary general election!

[Toy Soldier]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

No I would not, and with good reason, there must be a clause in the good friday agreement that states that this power sharing deal is contrary to any deal on neutrality?... She has screwed up royally and she knows it

The entire crux of the Good Friday agreement is that both "sides" will share power, with Westminster able to step in with (supposed) unbiased judgement if there is a disagreement. The DUP having any sway over the government completely undermines the basic principles of the agreement to the extent that I would say it makes it effectively void. It's hugely worrying.

In fact it's so precarious that I would say, now having looked into the potential consequences, that the DUP (and Sinn Fein, but I doubt they ever would anyway) should simply not be able to enter into a formal or informal agreement like this in Westminster. Even that means the SNP and Plaid also not being eligible to do so as a consequence, then so be it. The consequences are just not worth it for the sake of political chess.

[Brillopad]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

The entire crux of the Good Friday agreement is that both "sides" will share power, with Westminster able to step in with (supposed) unbiased judgement if there is a disagreement. The DUP having any sway over the government completely undermines the basic principles of the agreement to the extent that I would say it makes it effectively void. It's hugely worrying.

In fact it's so precarious that I would say, now having looked into the potential consequences, that the DUP (and Sinn Fein, but I doubt they ever would anyway) should simply not be able to enter into a formal or informal agreement like this in Westminster. Even that means the SNP and Plaid also not being eligible to do so as a consequence, then so be it. The consequences are just not worth it for the sake of political chess.

But why wasn't this ever brought up before the situation arose - especially from the DUP and Sinn Fein. Didn't anyone think what would happen if either party was called to join an alliance with the government. All seems odd.

[Vicky.]

Originally Posted by Brillopad

But why wasn't this ever brought up before the situation arose - especially from the DUP and Sinn Fein. Didn't anyone think what would happen if either party was called to join an alliance with the government. All seems odd.

I saw this mentioned the day of the election results. I expect it wasn't spoken about before that as noone really expected any result except for a (large) Tory majority...so noone really thought through options.

[Toy Soldier]

Originally Posted by Brillopad

But why wasn't this ever brought up before the situation arose - especially from the DUP and Sinn Fein. Didn't anyone think what would happen if either party was called to join an alliance with the government. All seems odd.

No one (NO one), from any party, not May, not Corbyn, just Kizzy, really expected it to be anything other than a Conservative majority... I genuinely just don't think it was ever thought through because no one thought the situation would come up. When it was seen as a possibility in 2015 that Milliband might be able to form a coalition government with the SNP, the Tories were dead set against the idea... it came up because it was seen as a very realistic election outcome. This wasn't, so no one even mentioned it. It's only now that it's a reality that people are stepping forward to point out that there are some very deep concerns.

[Jack_]

I'm pissing

[Jack_]

The internet has been the best during this election campaign

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

No one (NO one), from any party, not May, not Corbyn, not even Kizzy, really expected it to be anything other than a Conservative majority... I genuinely just don't think it was ever thought through because no one thought the situation would come up. When it was seen as a possibility in 2015 that Milliband might be able to form a coalition government with the SNP, the Tories were dead set against the idea... it came up because it was seen as a very realistic election outcome. This wasn't, so no one even mentioned it. It's only now that it's a reality that people are stepping forward to point out that there are some very deep concerns.

Erm ... I was the only person to keep my faith thank you

[Toy Soldier]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

Erm ... I was the only person to keep my faith thank you

Edited.