[Vanessa]

Originally Posted by Gusto Brunt

Actually Lotan is a much better housemate than dreary Raph.

It's a shame people on here can't express their true feelings about Raph. They're seemingly locked in an opinion he cannot do any wrong.

I can't support any of the popular crew after the way they treated Arthur. I find Lotan very shallow, but to each his own.

[waterhog]

when you are in a click - its hard not to side with them - but lotan did make the wrong move there - but he has got the young girl vote to keep him safe.

just going for my work out ?

[Vanessa]

For me The Outsider lot is way more appealing. I can't stand shallow and self absorbed people.

[RhysJones]

Most of his votes are from either TIBB or pity votes cos he's been playing the victim like with going on about being in the 'unpopular group' and not being popular in the house.

[Vanessa]

Originally Posted by RhysJones

Most of his votes are from either TIBB or pity votes cos he's been playing the victim like with going on about being in the 'unpopular group' and not being popular in the house.

He's winning all the polls and his winning odds are rising fast. People like him, it's obvious.

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by RhysJones

Most of his votes are from either TIBB or pity votes cos he's been playing the victim like with going on about being in the 'unpopular group' and not being popular in the house.

Master game playing by Raph, he knows exactly what works with the public

[Vanessa]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

Master game playing by Raph, he knows exactly what works with the public

Yes he's very clever indeed and he's playiny a blinder. He knows the public likes an underdog.

[snail69]

Originally Posted by Vanessa

I can't support any of the popular crew after the way they treated Arthur. I find Lotan very shallow, but to each his own.

This has to be a joke?!

Lotan out of anyone, not including Raph, tried to include Arthur and gave him multiple chances to be part of the group. Also when has he been shallow? It's okay not to like people but those reasons are clutching at straws to say the least.

Not looking to argue, just looking for you to be a little clearer in what you've said?

[Vanessa]

Originally Posted by snail69

This has to be a joke?!

Lotan out of anyone, not including Raph, tried to include Arthur and gave him multiple chances to be part of the group. Also when has he been shallow? It's okay not to like people but those reasons are clutching at straws to say the least.

Not looking to argue, just looking for you to be a little clearer in what you've said?

That maybe so, but Lotan also was messing around with his things. I just don't find Lotan personality very appealing, to be honest.

[snail69]

Originally Posted by Vanessa

That maybe so, but Lotan also was messing around with his things. I just don't find Lotan personality very appealing, to be honest.

So I got no answers to my questions there. Which basically says to me that you are just blindly hating.

That's fine as it's up to you but don't pretend to have objective opinions when you clearly don't.

[LeatherTrumpet]

Originally Posted by Vanessa

That maybe so, but Lotan also was messing around with his things. I just don't find Lotan personality very appealing, to be honest.

agreed he does not come across well at all

[Vanessa]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

agreed he does not come across well at all

He's very influenced by Tom. When Tom was going around hiding Arthur stuff some of the others were all for it.

[Withano]

Originally Posted by snail69

This has to be a joke?!

Lotan out of anyone, not including Raph, tried to include Arthur and gave him multiple chances to be part of the group. Also when has he been shallow? It's okay not to like people but those reasons are clutching at straws to say the least.

Not looking to argue, just looking for you to be a little clearer in what you've said?

"Guys, myself including, we all had a pop at Arthur and it isnt very nice" transparent af. He used Arthur as a way to promote himself. He knew people would buy into it.

[snail69]

Originally Posted by Withano

"Guys, myself including, we all had a pop at Arthur and it isnt very nice" transparent af. He used Arthur as a way to promote himself. He knew people would buy into it.

Well at least you answered the question with a well thought out and opinionated answer.

I can definitely see where you are coming from too. It's always hard to tell who and what is genuine and what is contrived.

Personally I do believe Lotan had time for Arthur so on this we can respectfully disagree I guess. Time will tell though I guess about who is right as I imagine if it is all contrived then he won't be able to 100% keep it up throughout the whole duration of the show.

I guess if you're right then, for now at least, I've brought into it as he's(Lotan) my current favourite.

[Vanessa]

Originally Posted by snail69

So I got no answers to my questions there. Which basically says to me that you are just blindly hating.

That's fine as it's up to you but don't pretend to have objective opinions when you clearly don't.

I'm not hating. I just went off Lotan after the way him and some of the others treated Arthur

[snail69]

Originally Posted by Vanessa

I'm not hating. I just went off Lotan after the way him and some of the others treated Raph.

Raph?! I don't remember them treating Raph badly?!

[Vanessa]

Originally Posted by snail69

Raph?! I don't remember them treating Raph badly?!

I meant Arthur.

[Kazanne]

I like Raph,but lets be honest here he is 'nice' as was Sam,Cameron,Jason,Rachael etc who won BB and they got torn to shreds for doing nothing on here they were called dull and boring.I hope Raph is playing the game and surprises us all,I still want him to win as I like 'nice' hate it when morons win.

[Vanessa]

Originally Posted by snail69

So I got no answers to my questions there. Which basically says to me that you are just blindly hating.

That's fine as it's up to you but don't pretend to have objective opinions when you clearly don't.

I told you why I don't like Lotan anymore. I liked him until last night episode. He's a good looking guy, but that's about it for me.

[Vanessa]

Originally Posted by Kazanne

I like Raph,but lets be honest here he is 'nice' as was Sam,Cameron,Jason,Rachael etc who won BB and they got torn to shreds for doing nothing on here they were called dull and boring.I hope Raph is playing the game and surprises us all,I still want him to win as I like 'nice' hate it when morons win.

He's playing it very smart. He knows exactly what the public likes.

[snail69]

Originally Posted by Vanessa

I meant Arthur.

I thought you did. You just can't stop talking about Raph hey?! 😜

Anyway I don't think anyone was particularly harsh to Arthur with the exception of Kayleigh and maybe Sukhvinder in the first couple of days.

I think Lotan, and Joe for that matter, in particular were well within their rights to have it out with Arthur because he was being a blatant dick. They both tried to reconcile with him though when they didn't have to and also tried to convince him to make up with the rest of the house.

[Vanessa]

Originally Posted by snail69

I thought you did. You just can't stop talking about Raph hey?! 😜

Anyway I don't think anyone was particularly harsh to Arthur with the exception of Kayleigh and maybe Sukhvinder in the first couple of days.

I think Lotan, and Joe for that matter, in particular were well within their rights to have it out with Arthur because he was being a blatant dick. They both tried to reconcile with him though when they didn't have to and also tried to convince him to make up with the rest of the house.

The part I didn't like was when they were messing with his stuff. That's not acceptable for me. Doesn't that class as bullying? Or at least ganging up on someone.

[snail69]

Originally Posted by Vanessa

The part I didn't like was when they were messing with his stuff. That's not acceptable for me. Doesn't that class as bullying? Or at least ganging up on someone.

Not really and it was Tom that instigated that anyway.

People need to stop with throwing the word "bully" around. When you spent a good portion of your childhood being bullied you know what bullying is and it's actually quite disrespectful to those that have been bullied and had to suffer for long periods of time against bullies when people keep throwing that word around like that, like it means nothing.

You may not like someone or their actions but it doesn't always make them a bully.

I hid my mates passport once when we were about to leave our hotel and head for the airport at the end of a holiday. Does that make me a bully?!

[Vanessa]

Originally Posted by snail69

Not really and it was Tom that instigated that anyway.

People need to stop with throwing the word "bully" around. When you spent a good portion of your childhood being bullied you know what bullying is and it's actually quite disrespectful to those that have been bullied and had to suffer for long periods of time against bullies when people keep throwing that word around like that, like it means nothing.

You may not like someone or their actions but it doesn't always make them a bully.

I hid my mates passport once when we were about to leave our hotel and head for the airport at the end of a holiday. Does that make me a bully?!

Tom is definitely a bully and so is Kayleigh. The others were enabling him so not much better really.

[snail69]

Originally Posted by Vanessa

Tom is definitely a bully and so is Kayleigh. The others were enabling him so not much better really.

Kayleigh said some disgusting things and Tom is just a twit however I wouldn't class either as bullies. Arthur has been pretty vocal since he left but has he used that word(I genuinely don't know as I don't have Twitter)?

I've been bullied a lot as a young kid. For the colour of my skin so I have a very dim view on bullying by the way and I will not stand for it at all. That **** stays with you forever and I just wish people would stop throwing that word around like it means nothing because then the ones who are really suffering get ignored.

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