[JTM45]

Originally Posted by Amy Jade

If Lotan and Ellie has the balls to say it to their face Raph wouldn't have to spill it

Ellie's turning out to be a real slimey asshole and Lotan's always been one.

They obviously think the 'public' will be absolutely behind them and loving their repugnance. How WRONG they are!!!

[LeatherTrumpet]

Lotan and ellie are the peoples faves. Normal nice people

[DrunkerThanMoses]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

Lotan and ellie are the peoples faves. Normal nice people

What? Fakest people in there

[rusticgal]

It's a natural thing to do tbf. However Raph needs to be careful because if all he can do is run and tell 'tales'...it could backfire. Will they trust him as the game progresses?...he needs to speak up in their defence instead of just stirring the pot...because that is exactly what he is doing atm.

[vesavius]

Originally Posted by DrunkerThanMoses

What? Fakest people in there

Raph is by far the fakest HM we have seen for years. His fence sitting contrived play is awful to watch. Now compounded by him feeding his so called 'allies' to the wolves.

Compared to him, Ellie is the real deal.

[Mullens123]

Sorry but if my friend overheard stuff about me I'd expect them to let me know. How is a sense of loyalty to your friends being spun into a negative just because people want any excuse to dislike Raph ...

[DrunkerThanMoses]

Originally Posted by vesavius

Raph is by far the fakest HM we have seen for years. His fence sitting contrived play is awful to watch. Now compounded by him feeding his so called 'allies' to the wolves.

Compared to him, Ellie is the real deal.

You just described Ellie, she talks **** about people yet doesnt stand up for friends and even nominates them, at least Raph told them what they was saying, Id rather know who was talking **** about me so I can ignore them.

[JTM45]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

Lotan and ellie are the peoples faves. Normal nice people

Not according to 'the people'.

''Nice''..........my arse!

[Vanessa]

Originally Posted by Mullens123

Sorry but if my friend overheard stuff about me I'd expect them to let me know. How is a sense of loyalty to your friends being spun into a negative just because people want any excuse to dislike Raph ...

This!

[vesavius]

Originally Posted by DrunkerThanMoses

You just described Ellie, she talks **** about people yet doesnt stand up for friends and even nominates them, at least Raph told them what they was saying, Id rather know who was talking **** about me so I can ignore them.

Give me examples?

I mean, we saw Raph running around spreading poison tonight, so that's a given.

[vesavius]

Originally Posted by Mullens123

Sorry but if my friend overheard stuff about me I'd expect them to let me know. How is a sense of loyalty to your friends being spun into a negative just because people want any excuse to dislike Raph ...

Because he isn't their friend. He didn't tell them out of a sense of duty to friendship, he told them in order to dump them into yet another pointless fight that would make them look awful to the public.

A fight he then had no part of. If they were friends, he would have stood with them and not slid away.

[DrunkerThanMoses]

Originally Posted by vesavius

Give me examples?

I mean, we saw Raph running around spreading poison tonight, so that's a given.

Well she was one talking **** about Hannah, shes was the one trying to be nice to rebecca last night and then talking **** about her behind her back and even nominated her.

What poison? They was talking about Hannah and Chanelle, Hannah asked what they was saying and Raph told them the truth on what they was saying.

Me thinks you can see his doing well on polls/betting/social media and you need to be someone who doesnt want to follow the crowd. I bet you will let the others get away with murder but Raph will snezze and you will probably accuse him of trying to spread germs

[Jack_]

Let me get this straight...we all complain that the quality of the series is quickly diminishing. Raph, already derided (in many ways fairly) as a bore, in a roundabout way actually instigates tonight's drama that most of us are praising for finally injecting some life into the show, and he's still being chastised?

I would much rather he continue to do this than whatever nothing crap we were watching a few days ago. Don't see the issue

[Vanessa]

Originally Posted by DrunkerThanMoses

Well she was one talking **** about Hannah, shes was the one trying to be nice to rebecca last night and then talking **** about her behind her back and even nominated her.

What poison? They was talking about Hannah and Chanelle, Hannah asked what they was saying and Raph told them the truth on what they was saying.

Me thinks you can see his doing well on polls/betting/social media and you need to be someone who doesnt want to follow the crowd. I bet you will let the others get away with murder but Raph will snezze and you will probably accuse him of trying to spread germs

[lime]

Originally Posted by DrunkerThanMoses

Well she was one talking **** about Hannah, shes was the one trying to be nice to rebecca last night and then talking **** about her behind her back and even nominated her.

What poison? They was talking about Hannah and Chanelle, Hannah asked what they was saying and Raph told them the truth on what they was saying.

Me thinks you can see his doing well on polls/betting/social media and you need to be someone who doesnt want to follow the crowd. I bet you will let the others get away with murder but Raph will snezze and you will probably accuse him of trying to spread germs

Yep.
Can't see how its called poison when he was asked what was said and told her...he actually kept it tame and didn't reveal all that was said

[rionablue]

Originally Posted by vesavius

What a creep. He couldn't wait to run in there and stir **** up could he?

He is the biggest bitch in the house. He has been going down in my estimation night after night. I honestly don't know why he is so popular now. He is a sneaky sh it stirrer

[Jake.]

Originally Posted by vesavius

Give me examples?

I mean, we saw Raph running around spreading poison tonight, so that's a given.

Poison?

[JTM45]

Originally Posted by vesavius

Give me examples?

I mean, we saw Raph running around spreading poison tonight, so that's a given.

At least you can recognize Lotan and Ellie's bitching and back-stabbing for what it is. Obviously Ellie will agree with or back up ANYTHING Lotan says because she obsessed with him.

[waterhog]

Originally Posted by vesavius

What a creep. He couldn't wait to run in there and stir **** up could he?

if there is one thing I hate is a busy body that stirs up trouble - it would never happen if I lived in a village like this

[vesavius]

Originally Posted by rionablue

He is the biggest bitch in the house. He has been going down in my estimation night after night. I honestly don't know why he is so popular now. He is a sneaky sh it stirrer

Supporting Raph is gonna be a rough ride I think. The only reason he was popular with the public was because he was seen as a 'nice guy'. He killed that for a lot of the public tonight.

[Jordan.]

He needs to step up instead of letting all the girls fight the battles.

[vesavius]

Originally Posted by JTM45

At least you can recognize Lotan and Ellie's bitching and back-stabbing for what it is. Obviously Ellie will agree with or back up ANYTHING Lotan says because she obsessed with him.

Sure, make a thread and we can talk about it. This thread is about Raph and his toxic **** stirring though.

[Vicky.]

All I heard Lotan say was that the only people who were bothered about the vote were the people who were up. Have I missed something? As Raph appeared to change this into Lotan was on about 'those 2' (meaning Hannah and Chanelle)

As Hannah grows on me, I am disliking Raph more and more. He is causing so much unnecessary stress for her with his bitching on and turning stuff round. And then, after getting her to kick off he slopes off to the diary room to inform us all about how Hannah was also in the wrong. If I didn't give a crap about Hannah anymore like I used to then I would probably still be liking Raph.

[vesavius]

Originally Posted by DrunkerThanMoses

Well she was one talking **** about Hannah, shes was the one trying to be nice to rebecca last night and then talking **** about her behind her back and even nominated her.

I was unaware of any particular friendship between Ellie and Becca..? Or her and Hanna? Where have you seen this? Did she intentionally run between groups and wind them up into fights, even her 'friends'?

Because that's what we are talking about here with Raph.

Originally Posted by DrunkerThanMoses

What poison? They was talking about Hannah and Chanelle, Hannah asked what they was saying and Raph told them the truth on what they was saying.

The poison of carrying **** stirring gossip carrying and dumping his so called allies into a fight, and then slinking off. I thought I had been clear about this.

(I have edited your personal judgments of me from the quote. Hope that's ok? It didn't mean anything and didn't add much.)

[vesavius]

Originally Posted by Vicky.

As Hannah grows on me, I am disliking Raph more and more. He is causing so much unnecessary stress for her with his bitching on and turning stuff round. And then, after getting her to kick off he slopes off to the diary room to inform us all about how Hannah was also in the wrong.

Have to agree. I'm no fan of Hannah, I am neutral right now, but she didn't deserve this.