[vesavius]

Originally Posted by Withano

Bb said it was a plastic cup didnt they? Thats incredibly light compared to the majority of hms - if it was glass and I heard wrong then Id half-agree if she threw it across the room, and not towards her feet (but she deffo wasnt drinking from a bottled beer like Lotan so i dont think im wrong tbh)

yeah, but the cups they use are rigid plastic, not disposable throwaway ones. Throwing them around and shattering them is a problem, which I guess was what BB was saying.

Lotan didn't throw anything solid directly at anyone either, just a bit of liquid.

I am not saying that she should have been removed, really. I am saying that neither of them should have been. They were actually as bad as each other in many ways. I do find Chan much more likable and good to watch though. i am just trying to be objective about it.

[rusticgal]

Originally Posted by Jessica.

She did it her, you can see in this slowed gif. It wasn't particularly on purpose but still her fault since she was being so reckless.

She lost her balance and caught her...it was an accident. She was trying to stop the raging sisters go up the stairs. She was trying to stop the confrontation. It wasn't reckless...reckless would be standing to one side and doing nothing.
The sisters have a massive blame mentality...massive chips on there shoulders and it doesn't take much for them to get aggressive, especially Hannah. To accuse Ellie of punching her was a massive lie...if Ellie had hit her deliberately she would have been sent packing and BB have obviously studied the footage in better quality than we have on that clip.

[vesavius]

Originally Posted by Garfie

Watch it again. She was shouting 'Hit me' in people's faces at the bottom of the stairs

"peoples"

You mean those that were already aggressively squaring up to her and pushing her back with their threatened violence?

To blame the defensive person saying "hit me" over the aggressive person clearly wanting to do the hitting is incredibly skewed. Dishonest, even.

Originally Posted by Garfie

It's good to support your favourites, but not to blindly defend them no matter what they do.

I am actually quite objective, especially compared to most here. I would admit it if I honestly agreed, but me disagreeing with you doesn't mean I am 'blindly defending'. I saw the same show, I came to my own conclusions. I am not 'blind' because I interpreted what happened differently to you. You honestly don't have the automatic ultimate truth. I would condemn Ellie if I honestly thought she was in the wrong here. I have done so to supported HMs before in the past and have simply stopped supporting them.

I simply disagree with your interpretation.

[vesavius]

Originally Posted by rusticgal

She lost her balance and caught her...it was an accident. She was trying to stop the raging sisters go up the stairs. She was trying to stop the confrontation. It wasn't reckless...reckless would be standing to one side and doing nothing.
The sisters have a massive blame mentality...massive chips on there shoulders and it doesn't take much for them to get aggressive, especially Hannah. To accuse Ellie of punching her was a massive lie...if Ellie had hit her deliberately she would have been sent packing and BB have obviously studied the footage in better quality than we have on that clip.

Truth.

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by rusticgal

She lost her balance and caught her...it was an accident. She was trying to stop the raging sisters go up the stairs. She was trying to stop the confrontation. It wasn't reckless...reckless would be standing to one side and doing nothing.
The sisters have a massive blame mentality...massive chips on there shoulders and it doesn't take much for them to get aggressive, especially Hannah. To accuse Ellie of punching her was a massive lie...if Ellie had hit her deliberately she would have been sent packing and BB have obviously studied the footage in better quality than we have on that clip.

But how would Hannah know it was an accident in the heat of the moment though? I don't think she was lying, I mean she did connect with her so that's true, it all happened really quickly and she doesn't have access to the cameras like BB do to play it back slowly etc

[sungrass]

Originally Posted by Garfie

It was a plastic bottle she threw on the floor at her feet. BB said that yesterday when they discussed it with her.

And if you listen again to what BB said they were ejecting Lotan for, it was not just the throwing of the water or bottle, or whatever it was, it was for his 'isolating and intimidating behaviour, especially towards women' over 'several days' amongst other things.

Lotan had been simmering for days and then his last two days he was like a volcano just waiting to erupt they said they were going "casper" isolbelle - ghost her - saying things like she is not intelligent enough to speak to him - what an arrogant man - and then saying - look shes all alone no one likes her in the house - when they had taken up the smoking area - she was probably too intimated

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by sungrass

Lotan had been simmering for days and then his last two days he was like a volcano just waiting to erupt they said they were going "casper" isolbelle - ghost her - saying things like she is not intelligent enough to speak to him - what an arrogant man - and then saying - look shes all alone no one likes her in the house - when they had taken up the smoking area - she was probably too intimated

Ikr? Yet people still vilify her as the one giving out the "low blow"

[chuff me dizzy]

Lying cow saying she wasn't running for Ellie,she was running for the door

[vesavius]

Originally Posted by chuff me dizzy

Lying cow saying she wasn't running for Ellie,she was running for the door

They are honestly just full of ****. The truth is though Lying about an assault is actually really serious and can ruin real lives and careers outside of the house. It is falsely accusing someone of a real crime and is as low as you can get in that house. It has real world implications. it can severely damage a real life. If this was the outside world, Deb would have pushed this assault accusation all the way. She is scum.

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by chuff me dizzy

Lying cow saying she wasn't running for Ellie,she was running for the door

That was Deborah not Hannah

[chuff me dizzy]

Originally Posted by vesavius

They are honestly just full of ****. The truth is though Lying about an assault is actually really serious and can ruin real lives and careers outside of the house. It is falsely accusing someone of a real crime and is as low as you can get in that house. It has real world implications. it can severely damage a real life. If this was the outside world, Deb would have pushed this assault accusation all the way. She is scum.

Then when she got called to the diary room she tried to push it that she had been bullied This is the same cow that got right into Lotan and Kierons faces ,along with chasing Ellie up the stairs to attack her

[Garfie]

Originally Posted by Withano

Bb said it was a plastic cup didnt they? Thats incredibly light compared to the majority of hms - if it was glass and I heard wrong then Id half-agree if she threw it across the room, and not towards her feet (but she deffo wasnt drinking from a bottled beer like Lotan so i dont think im wrong tbh)

Bottle or cup, they definitely said it was plastic, and she definitely threw it down at her feet.

[vesavius]

Originally Posted by chuff me dizzy

Then when she got called to the diary room she tried to push it that she had been bullied This is the same cow that got right into Lotan and Kierons faces ,along with chasing Ellie up the stairs to attack her

They pull this dishonest bait and switch (be aggressive, get people reacting, switch to victim) all the damned time. And yet people here still were willing to take their word because it suited their agenda. Even now, the hardcore are still debating that the punch actually happened, despite BB clearing Ellie absolutely and proving Deb a liar. They still attack Ellie, rather than the false accuser. They still attack Ellie, rather than the one actually warned for being aggressive.

And they still expect their posts going forward to be taken seriously and be credible?

[vesavius]

Originally Posted by Garfie

Bottle or cup, they definitely said it was plastic, and she definitely threw it down at her feet.

yes, but as explained, these are rigid plastic 'glasses'. They are not disposable party cups.

The can cleary be dangerous and be cracked/ shattered if thrown with force.

[chuff me dizzy]

Originally Posted by vesavius

They pull this dishonest bait and switch (be aggressive, get people reacting, turn switch to victim) all the damned time. And yet people here still were willing to take their word because it suited their agenda. Even now, the hardcore are still debating that the punch actually happened, despite BB clearing Ellie absolutely and proving Deb a liar. They still attack Ellie, rather than the false accuser. they still attack Ellie, rather than the one actually warned for being aggressive.

And they still expect their posts going forward to be taken seriously and be credible?

Constant race card threat, this is why BB daren't do anything to them

[Kazanne]

Originally Posted by Withano

Bb said it was a plastic cup didnt they? Thats incredibly light compared to the majority of hms - if it was glass and I heard wrong then Id half-agree if she threw it across the room, and not towards her feet (but she deffo wasnt drinking from a bottled beer like Lotan so i dont think im wrong tbh)

She broke whatever it was glass/plastic whatever,and if it was the latter plastic takes some force to break,she's aggressive,at least have the bottle(excuse the pun) to admit it.

[bitontheslide]

Originally Posted by Kazanne

She broke whatever it was glass/plastic whatever,and if it was the latter plastic takes some force to break,she's aggressive,at least have the bottle(excuse the pun) to admit it.

yep, its about the level of aggression shown, and Chanelle had that by the bucket load

[sampvt]

Chanel is rapidly becoming this years helen wood for warnings

[jyunga]

It's amazing how biased people are based on who they like and don't like in the house. Lotan aside, it was the sisters and Chanelle (verbally) that blew their tosses and got aggressive. Deborah got all up in Lotan's face. Ellie definitely flipped out more then she should have, but to claim to be hit and say you were bullying is ****ing pathetic. The sisters are loud, obnoxious creatures that add nothing of substance to the show aside from lashing out at the "pretty people" who everyone loves to hate on the internet. If this was a house of Raph's and you had the sister flipping out you'd all be crucifying them. It's so gross that house mates become so loved for just being twats to the popular twats.

[Robodog]

OF COURSE Hannah was lying. OF COURSE SHE WAS.

Here are many reasons why.

1. BB have multiple cameras. They see far more than any of us. They only show an edited amount on TV. No audience member can claim to see more than BB does.

2. BB simply cannot afford the risk of allowing a HM to physically attack another. If HMs are ejected for threatening violence, do you really think they would be allowed to stay having committed actual violence? Of course not.

3. Hannah has lied before:
After Lotan put the plastic mouse in her bed, her comeback was that 'she has a phobia of mice that gives her panic attacks'. If this were true then she would not have held the mouse up. If this were true then she would not have been so un-bothered when Raph put the same mouse near her later on. She lies tactically.

4. Hannah plays dirty in arguments:
Like the mouse incident, she will say or do anything to 'win' her argument and think nothing of giving a low blow. She switches from being 'aggressive' to 'passive aggressive', whatever it takes for her to come out on top. Classic example being her aggressive shouting at Rebecca; but then when Rebecca pointed out Hannah's aggression, Hannah then switched to passive aggressive mode, eluding to her skin colour as the issue. This was passive aggression playing the victim/race card as a way of destroying her opponent. Race is a serious issue, Hannah knows this; yet she was perfectly happy to try and smear Rebecca with racism, just as she was perfectly happy to try and smear Ellie with assault. It's called playing dirty.

5. Hannah is morally inconsistent:

She has given these soapbox speeches, claiming to be all for unity, peace, love etc, highlighting the importance of seeing beyond appearances "before colour, I am Hannah" etc .... Yet she is quite happy to attack Tom for his appearance calling him 'extra small'. Can you imagine if Tom had attacked her appearance! You think she would be equally as happy to accept that kind of appearance-based insult from him?

Hannah and Deborah were defending each other on fight night, as you can expect from sisters who are so close. But they both lied. Hannah lied about the bruise/attack from Ellie 'punching' her. Deborah lied about her intimidating charge up the stairs at Ellie, later claiming she was 'heading for the exit'.

OK sisters, defend yourselves, I get that. But please OWN your actions. Don't try and weasel out of it. People may forgive your aggressive actions, it is BB after all, it always gets heated. BUT you have lost a lot of support now because of your lies.

[sampvt]

Originally Posted by Robodog

OF COURSE Hannah was lying. OF COURSE SHE WAS.

Here are many reasons why.

1. BB have multiple cameras. They see far more than any of us. They only show an edited amount on TV. No audience member can claim to see more than BB does.

2. BB simply cannot afford the risk of allowing a HM to physically attack another. If HMs are ejected for threatening violence, do you really think they would be allowed to stay having committed actual violence? Of course not.

3. Hannah has lied before:
After Lotan put the plastic mouse in her bed, her comeback was that 'she has a phobia of mice that gives her panic attacks'. If this were true then she would not have held the mouse up. If this were true then she would not have been so un-bothered when Raph put the same mouse near her later on. She lies tactically.

4. Hannah plays dirty in arguments:
Like the mouse incident, she will say or do anything to 'win' her argument and think nothing of giving a low blow. She switches from being 'aggressive' to 'passive aggressive', whatever it takes for her to come out on top. Classic example being her aggressive shouting at Rebecca; but then when Rebecca pointed out Hannah's aggression, Hannah then switched to passive aggressive mode, eluding to her skin colour as the issue. This was passive aggression playing the victim/race card as a way of destroying her opponent. Race is a serious issue, Hannah knows this; yet she was perfectly happy to try and smear Rebecca with racism, just as she was perfectly happy to try and smear Ellie with assault. It's called playing dirty.

5. Hannah is morally inconsistent:

She has given these soapbox speeches, claiming to be all for unity, peace, love etc, highlighting the importance of seeing beyond appearances "before colour, I am Hannah" etc .... Yet she is quite happy to attack Tom for his appearance calling him 'extra small'. Can you imagine if Tom had attacked her appearance! You think she would be equally as happy to accept that kind of appearance-based insult from him?

Hannah and Deborah were defending each other on fight night, as you can expect from sisters who are so close. But they both lied. Hannah lied about the bruise/attack from Ellie 'punching' her. Deborah lied about her intimidating charge up the stairs at Ellie, later claiming she was 'heading for the exit'.

OK sisters, defend yourselves, I get that. But please OWN your actions. Don't try and weasel out of it. People may forgive your aggressive actions, it is BB after all, it always gets heated. BUT you have lost a lot of support now because of your lies.

Probably the best post of the week,

[bitontheslide]

well put Robodog

[Robodog]

Cheers forum buddies

Glad others on here can see sense!

[Withano]

Originally Posted by Kazanne

She broke whatever it was glass/plastic whatever,and if it was the latter plastic takes some force to break,she's aggressive,at least have the bottle(excuse the pun) to admit it.

Neither of us are about to take part in a serious debate over what's more dangerous out of throwing glass across the room or throwing plastic towards ones own feet though. So.

I do half see the point. I think it's mostly lotan devotion / chanelle hatred though because they're not comparable in seriousness at all.

[Vicky.]

Hannah may well have a bruise on her face but its most likely to be caused by the elbow in the face by her sister (accidentally of course)

The little clip (that also looks accidental) by Ellie would noway have bruised her face.