[RhysJones]

They all do seem to spend a bit more time with each other apart from Raph who just spends all his time with the outsiders in the bedroom and then in the diary room. He's gone on about it since the first week and still is, it's getting old. The clique is actually telling him to come out of the bedroom and spend some more time in the communal areas

[Barry.]

Didn't newbie Savannah also talk about the two groups?

[Vanessa]

Originally Posted by BBfan2017

Didn't newbie Savannah also talk about the two groups?

Yes, she did.

[Barry.]

Did she get a thread?

[vesavius]

Originally Posted by Jack_

The divide is the only thing making this series at all interesting. If he created it, he isn't boring.

Again, does not compute.

He contributed to creating it in a really boring but sly way. He didn't create it on his own. Stop giving him credit.

Again, computed (can we stop with this juvenile 'compute' thing now?).

But, that's interesting... Do you agree with the BOTS view that Raph was to blame for the events of the mini 'fight night'? Because that's what you are saying.

[Vanessa]

Originally Posted by BBfan2017

Did she get a thread?

Kieran also talked about it. No, They don't get threads about it.

[Littlegreen]

Originally Posted by RhysJones

They all do seem to spend a bit more time with each other apart from Raph who just spends all his time with the outsiders in the bedroom and then in the diary room. He's gone on about it since the first week and still is, it's getting old. The clique is actually telling him to come out of the bedroom and spend some more time in the communal areas

If Tom has been off with him since the start maybe he purposely avoids that awkwardness. Especially if the conversation is crap.

I think all the oldies will band together anyway after tonight.

[vesavius]

Originally Posted by BBfan2017

Didn't newbie Savannah also talk about the two groups?

Nope, but make one I will agree with you on it. This one is about Raph though, not Sav.

I have zero like for her, but she hasn't made the divide the defining part of her personality like he has (again, this was covered already in the thread).

[Barry.]

Originally Posted by Vanessa

Kieran also talked about it. No, They don't get threads about it.

[Kazanne]

Originally Posted by sampvt

Still banging on about us banging on about raph banging on about the decide he created. Sad.

[vesavius]

Originally Posted by Vanessa

Kieran also talked about it. No, They don't get threads about it.

oh, sweet god... Then make one about him if you want to. I would also agree. See above in my response for Sav for the rest. smh.

This thread is about Raph. Please stop trying to derail it.

[rusticgal]

It's his only storyline...playing the victim.
The hypocrisy of Raph....he says he can't stand the sexual nature of the conversations within the clique and their conversations are not intellectual..unyet Chanelle and Isabelle are in his clique ...he gets on with them

He created the Outsiders...he named them and encouraged them to segregate themselves. It was his game plan because often these groups often get to the final. He is so keen for this divide to happen again...but he got called out for in when Charlotte said via her message that he should integrate more.
Without the divide he has nothing else to offer...

[Jack_]

Originally Posted by vesavius

He contributed to creating it in a really boring but sly way. He didn't create it on his own. Stop giving him credit.

Again, computed (can we stop with this juvenile 'compute' thing now?).

But, that's interesting... Do you agree with the BOTS view that Raph was to blame for the events of the mini 'fight night'? Because that's what you are saying.

Okay, let me rephrase. He helped create a divide that is one of the only interesting things about this series, thus he can't be that boring. It's not juvenile, it's just a way of saying what you're suggesting doesn't make any sense because it's a contradiction.

I do actually, and I agreed with Judi James giving him credit for it. A job well done tbh, the most entertaining argument for a decade

[rusticgal]

Originally Posted by Defizo

My god Raph can't even fart without someone making a disapproving thread about it can he?

Raph wouldn't do that....it's rude and disgusting. He is way above that sort of behaviour ..
...oh no hold on a minute that's what Chanelle and Isabelle do, along with pissing in the hot tub and constantly talking about sex...but they are his best mates. It blows his reasoning for the divide right out of the water..

[vesavius]

Originally Posted by Jack_

Okay, let me rephrase. He helped create a divide that is one of the only interesting things about this series, thus he can't be that boring.

I do actually, and I agreed with Judi James giving him credit for it.

ok, cool, this feels like it can actually be a conversation now.

Yes, I agree he did contribute to it, but I am saying it was done in such a boring way, IMO, that my use of the word to describe him is valid. Again, i am saying why I find him boring, not why you should. His play approach, moaning, and scuttling between groups was, in my eyes, tedious.

He has played the victim all through this season, segregating himself and complaining. Again, I find this boring.

You can be boring and negative and sly at the same time.

No contradiction.

[rusticgal]

Originally Posted by Vanessa

Yes, he felt isolated at the beginning. Chanelle actually bothered to get to know him and that's why they're close.

He felt isolated because he isolated himself...Raph knows you are not going to be surrounded by people who talk about psychology or world politics in the BB house.
Chanelles level of conversation is more shallow than most...she talks dirty and she pees in the hot tub....so how does that equate.
Maybe Raph should make more of an effort...but that's not in his game plan

[rusticgal]

Originally Posted by BBfan2017

Did she get a thread?

Yes she did...under her quote of "we must stick together"

[Vanessa]

Originally Posted by Littlegreen

If Tom has been off with him since the start maybe he purposely avoids that awkwardness. Especially if the conversation is crap.

I think all the oldies will band together anyway after tonight.

I don't blame him for avoiding Tom. The guy is a complete moron

[vesavius]

Originally Posted by Vanessa

I don't blame him for avoiding Tom. The guy is a complete moron

Tom is, but that isn't why Raph segregated himself. He did it because he knows a lot of BB fans like a victim, so he set about creating himself to be one.

[chuff me dizzy]

Without the divide SnakeBoy has no purpose in the house ,its all he's got, lording it up and backstabbing to the Kray Sisters and the cheap slappers

[chuff me dizzy]

Originally Posted by vesavius

Tom is, but that isn't why Raph segregated himself. He did it because he knows a lot of BB fans like a victim, so he set about creating himself to be one.

So true !!