[bitontheslide]

James published the official voting % . Izzy blew away all the opposition with 50% of the vote .... everyone. The public voted for someone overwhelmingly because of her character and attitude. That's a fact.

Let me repeat, character and attitude is what wins BB

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by bitontheslide

Let me repeat, character and attitude is what wins BB

Which is why 90% of the winners are devoid of any personality or character?

[Jian Yang]

Originally Posted by Hayden

Coming from the person who created them by bringing race into something race has no business in.

[bitontheslide]

Originally Posted by Marsh.

Which is why 90% of the winners are devoid of any personality or character?

i disagree

[Northern Monkey]

Originally Posted by Marsh.

Which is why 90% of the winners are devoid of any personality or character?

I'd disagree with that.Infact most have had more character and personality than Isabelle

[LeatherTrumpet]

Too aggressive

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by Northern Monkey

I'd disagree with that.Infact most have had more character and personality than Isabelle

That's like saying "A swimming pool being deeper than a pond doesn't matter as there are shallower puddles".

[Jack_]

Originally Posted by Marsh.

Which is why 90% of the winners are devoid of any personality or character?

[Jack_]

How can people think that's not true when Sam Evans is a thing

[James]

I thought Deborah had a chance until the late Isabelle surge.

[Robodog]

"I have a dream that my four little children will one day live in a nation where they will not be judged by the color of their skin, but by the content of their character. "

Martin Luther King, Jr.


Thankfully, most of us agree with this.

Some people still have some catching up to do.

[lewis111]

We aren't judging people on their colour though
We are just stating a fact that a black woman has never one and probably never will - which leads to the question is it because others are judging people on their skin colour

[Mullens123]

No a black woman will never win.

All you have to do is see the way people reacted to Deborah in comparison to others this series, and how the subject of race is reacted to by individuals who themselves won't be facing racial prejudice.

[ClaireS92]

Oh please don t play the race card and this comes from someone who genuinely was a big Anti Racist Campaigner years ago so its not because i m a racist myself or would support any sh*t like that that I say this. It had absolutley nothing to do with that it had mre to do with not just her supporting Hannah's fakeness too often but I think maybe aking up fakeness herself early on too both to get extra airtme also think enough saw through the coy Im shy fake routine around Kieran which was done because she thought people would find it entertaining if she acted that way around him.No way can you be that shy if you ve had your clit pierced .

[Robodog]

Originally Posted by lewis111

We aren't judging people on their colour though
We are just stating a fact that a black woman has never one and probably never will - which leads to the question is it because others are judging people on their skin colour

1. You say 'we aren't judging people on their colour'. You then go on to say that 'a black woman has never won and probably never will'. Clearly that is a statement of judgement, based entirely on colour.

2. You then ask 'are other people (namely BB viewers) judging contestants on their skin colour?' Let's look at 2 recent examples:

Last night Deborah came 3rd out of 22 contestants. A great achievement for any housemate. The most prominent chant from the finals crowd last night was 'Deborah Deborah!' Clearly she was very popular and loved. Some may have loved her because she was black but most people loved her because of the content of her character and rightly so.

Another example is Pauline in BB15. An older black female, she received perhaps the best launch night reception i have ever seen. Launch night requires that people make snap judgements based on shallow 1st impressions of the new HMs, and Pauline's was overwhelmingly positive. So much so, that out of ALL the new HMs, it was Pauline who was voted the people's choice of 'Power Housemate'. Confirmation of the BB voting public embracing a black, older female based entirely on first impressions, and they chose her above all the other contestants. If anything it was positive discrimination. I think they loved the idea of an older black female doing well, hence all the cheers and the votes for her.

Pauline was loved, validated and made all powerful by the BB voting public. It was hers to lose. But lose it she did. Not because of her skin colour, but because of the content of her character. Everyone judged her on first impressions and they loved her. It was her character that eventually let her down from those positive first judgements.

It's pretty darn insulting to imply there is mass racism in the BB voting public especially in the face of such constant positivity. That kind of talk creates racial divide when there is none It also absolves contestants of any kind of responsibility for their actions to say 'oh you only didn't win because you were black'. How shallow.

Well the BB voters are much smarter than that. This show is a trailblazer for diversity and unique individuals. Look at the BOTS audience. Look at winners such as Luke A and Brian Belo. Look at the love for Pauline and for Deborah last night. This is the reality and it's time some people started to get on board with this positivity or they themselves run the risk of holding up any positive progress.

[Denver]

Sandi Bogle is coming

[johne]

I was going to post my disgust at the racism behind this thread, but there's no need, Robodog said it better, and more politely than I ever could -

"It's pretty darn insulting to imply there is mass racism in the BB voting public especially in the face of such constant positivity. That kind of talk creates racial divide when there is none It also absolves contestants of any kind of responsibility for their actions to say 'oh you only didn't win because you were black'. How shallow.

Well the BB voters are much smarter than that. This show is a trailblazer for diversity and unique individuals. Look at the BOTS audience. Look at winners such as Luke A and Brian Belo. Look at the love for Pauline and for Deborah last night. This is the reality and it's time some people started to get on board with this positivity or they themselves run the risk of holding up any positive progress."

[snail69]

This is a boring over played topic. I say this as a mixed race man(my dad is African American). Race does not matter, if the USA can have a black president then the UK can have a black Big Brother winner. You're the one that makes all the threads about black people so in my opinion you're the only one with a problem.

I'm not saying racism doesn't exist it does and I've been a victim of it before but to imply that everyone is racist says a lot about yourself and how you see the world. I feel bad for you to be honest.

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[Withano]

I'd imagine so, if they were the most liked housemate. Gina would have won if Dexter never made the final. Her fanbase was splitting their votes though.

[chuff me dizzy]

Originally Posted by Robodog

1. You say 'we aren't judging people on their colour'. You then go on to say that 'a black woman has never won and probably never will'. Clearly that is a statement of judgement, based entirely on colour.

2. You then ask 'are other people (namely BB viewers) judging contestants on their skin colour?' Let's look at 2 recent examples:

Last night Deborah came 3rd out of 22 contestants. A great achievement for any housemate. The most prominent chant from the finals crowd last night was 'Deborah Deborah!' Clearly she was very popular and loved. Some may have loved her because she was black but most people loved her because of the content of her character and rightly so.

Another example is Pauline in BB15. An older black female, she received perhaps the best launch night reception i have ever seen. Launch night requires that people make snap judgements based on shallow 1st impressions of the new HMs, and Pauline's was overwhelmingly positive. So much so, that out of ALL the new HMs, it was Pauline who was voted the people's choice of 'Power Housemate'. Confirmation of the BB voting public embracing a black, older female based entirely on first impressions, and they chose her above all the other contestants. If anything it was positive discrimination. I think they loved the idea of an older black female doing well, hence all the cheers and the votes for her.

Pauline was loved, validated and made all powerful by the BB voting public. It was hers to lose. But lose it she did. Not because of her skin colour, but because of the content of her character. Everyone judged her on first impressions and they loved her. It was her character that eventually let her down from those positive first judgements.

It's pretty darn insulting to imply there is mass racism in the BB voting public especially in the face of such constant positivity. That kind of talk creates racial divide when there is none It also absolves contestants of any kind of responsibility for their actions to say 'oh you only didn't win because you were black'. How shallow.

Well the BB voters are much smarter than that. This show is a trailblazer for diversity and unique individuals. Look at the BOTS audience. Look at winners such as Luke A and Brian Belo. Look at the love for Pauline and for Deborah last night. This is the reality and it's time some people started to get on board with this positivity or they themselves run the risk of holding up any positive progress.

[Mullens123]

You literally just have to go onto the Deborah is third or Hannah has been evicted posts on facebook to see people using racial slurs or using skin colour is a derogatory manner.

Guess its overshadowed by this constant positivity that has seen women of colour place no higher than 3rd in 17 years.

Just because a transgender individual wins Big Brother doesn't mean transphobia isn't an existing force among the general public, same as a gay person winning doesn't denounce homophobia and a woman winning doesn't imply sexism has ended. Saying these things isn't claiming that the ENTIRE public feels this way, but even if 5-10% of a viewing audience hold prejudice or bigoted views it makes a difference and creates a climate where people will struggle to win simply because of gender, race, sexuality etc.

[Underscore]

Originally Posted by Jian Yang

*yawn*

[Underscore]

Originally Posted by Adam.

Sandi Bogle is coming

but still sad

would've preferred sandra in

[nonstop]

These stale threads

[sungrass]

Originally Posted by 854

I voted yes, because, I voted yes. I don't have to explain why.

But thinking realistically, no I have to be honest and say I don't think a black woman has a good chance at winning bbuk. I would love to eat my words, but I don't know.

I don't live in England, I live in America, but I can assume the same rules apply, and black people, let alone black women always get the short end of the stick in situations like that. I don't know. I was really certain that Deborah was going to win.

I know because I'm black and gay and understand.

Brian Belo who is a black man won when it was on Channel 4. But he was kinda normal and not what people expected of him. I don't know if Brian acted more like a chav or gangster he would have won. If he acted the way he did in the Time Warp task couple seasons ago, he would not have won. Or if he was in any other house that he probably would not have won. But even though Brian was black, he wasn't over the top and seemed normal. Also coupled with the fact Liam who I would say was in good standing to win didn't already win that task and win 100k, Brian I don't think would have won. I guess people didn't vote for the twins as they assumed they would win. The other people in the final were not deserving at all to be winners.

But going back, I think for a black female to win, she has to be different.

With black women it's hard to do that. They are always, ALWAYS, the diva, sista, sassy woman, and that's fine, and even though they are being themselves, for some reason, which in my own opinion might be related to racism, the viewers find that offensive.

I think the only exceptions to the rule is to find a black girl that isn't what we normally expect, and the closest we got was maybe Alison in BB4, Dawn in BB7, Sophia RIP in bb10, Ife in BB11, and Sam from BB16. Every other black girl has been the diva, sassy type which again there is nothing wrong with that, but for some reasons, the viewers don't like that. Well they might not hate her, but they won't vote her the winner. If she doesn't get on the other contestants nerves, she will make it to final and most likely get 4th place or so.

Other than that, she's most always the first or second one out.

So coupled with the fact she has to be different, she also just has to be lucky and be in final where the rest of the people aren't deserving to win.

Whereas someone white can just be themselves.

You have people like Helen, Chloe etc. who can do all types of crap and be voted winner. Yet a black girl has to be non controversial and different, and also just be lucky that the remaining people are hated, which lets face it, if they made it to the final week, it's tough.

So that's where I have to disagree, that it is based on race sometimes.

But I don't know, when you have an intruder white girl that wins, and a racist white gay trump supporter beating her to get runner up which Deborah should have gotten in the least, I don't want to think it's because she's black, but I don't know. It is because she's black. Wake up people. Smh.

I agree with you - Deborah was brilliant - it just depends who you are upagainst - Helen only won because she given a pass to the final - otherwise she would have been evicted by week 1/2