[Cherie]

Originally Posted by Marsh.

Nobody's made excuses for anyone. They're, quite rightly, annoyed with the actual issues being swept under the rug by throwing this latest event into a very large box labelled "Evil Muslims". I think THAT is undermining the real issues.

Read and digest, on the debate I listened to one of the callers claimed that the girls should have more carefully monitored, not a word that members of his community should be ashamed of abusing vulnerable girls in this way, so yes excuses are being made

[parmnion]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

Oh sure I know Parmnion, there's been so much disgusting stuff un earthed here over the last few years to do with, work houses, mother and baby homes etc all run by the church. No religious organisations should have that much control and power over the poorest and most vulnerable in society imo

Its sad to think but it makes you wonder if being a pedo was part of the job description...mind i bet they were all abused as kids as well..never an excuse though.

[parmnion]

Originally Posted by Kazanne

The 'girls' they target are white Western girls who they deem as worthless,so that tells me it's not to do with religion but race.

I think some muslims twist their religious scriptures into something to do with race.....


So for me, the muslim religion is being used by racists to pardon their racist values.

Ie, the infedels etc etc depressing depressing......etc etc.

[parmnion]

Originally Posted by StephenPullen

Not Asian, I would rather say Muslim community. You don't have these kinds of sexual abuse problems in the vast majority of other Asian cultures.

There was the indian bus raping gangs.

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by Cherie

Read and digest, on the debate I listened to one of the callers claimed that the girls should have more carefully monitored, not a word that members of his community should be ashamed of abusing vulnerable girls in this way, so yes excuses are being made

I have read, thank you.

Try actually making your point known. Making a random comment in the middle of a forum discussion and I'm supposed to know about this debate you listened to?

[parmnion]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

I mentioned the "white people can't be racist" thing as another example of rhetoric that promotes backlash; not in any way related to making THIS case about race.

If it helps, I could have used the un-race-related example of the vegan cafe "man tax" thread? i.e. it isn't untrue that there are some inequalities between genders, but addressing it in certain ways promotes unhelpful backlash. That is the entirety of what I'm talking about.

How do you mean unhelpfull backlash though?

Do you mean it could cause random white on asian racist attacks or more muslims thinking what the hell, we are all being tarred with the same brush so lets start raping 10-16 yr old drunk white girls?

[parmnion]

Originally Posted by Kazanne

They said on the news it is mainly Pakistani Asian men.

Only difference being the rest are from afgahnistan origin...rather than of pakistani origin.

[parmnion]

I would say however that the vast majority of these abhorrent, violent and simply sick individuals would be doing it in the name of allah...hence the brandings of the M many girls endured....

[Toy Soldier]

Originally Posted by parmnion

How do you mean unhelpfull backlash though?

Do you mean it could cause random white on asian racist attacks or more muslims thinking what the hell, we are all being tarred with the same brush so lets start raping 10-16 yr old drunk white girls?

By unhelpful I mean that to combat these abhorrent individuals we MUST engage with and integrate with the communities that surround them and - whether you like the sound of it or not - that means diplomacy and holding back on some of that righteous indignation.

Just as feminists attacking or ridiculing males is harmful to equality for females, and black people being spiteful towards white people is harmful to black communities, because rightly or wrongly, people will react badly to perceived injustice.

So again... It really all comes down to whether you'd rather be a part of the solution, or feel better "having a rant" but being ultimately a contributor to the problem.

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by Cherie

This was debated yesterday, a few callers (all male Asian men) were incensed that the ring were being referred to as Muslim Asians, yet as another caller pointed out no one had a problem with outing Catholic priests so let's call them what they are because otherwise it's just trying to bury it

Originally Posted by Marsh.

I have read, thank you.

Try actually making your point known. Making a random comment in the middle of a forum discussion and I'm supposed to know about this debate you listened to?

2nd post on the thread, but don't let that stop you making ridiculous comments

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by Cherie

2nd post on the thread, but don't let that stop you making ridiculous comments

"This was debated"

"A few callers"

Yep, sounds like something relevant to this thread.

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by Cherie

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Its the muslim men who are outraged? at least that is what came across on the debate,

one also tried to deflect by saying all the girls were vulnerable and should be looked after better...

Originally Posted by Marsh.

"This was debated"

"A few callers"

Yep, sounds like something relevant to this thread.

My posts were related to the debate like I said read and digest

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by Cherie

My posts were related to the debate like I said read and digest

Not really. You responded to discussion on the use of "Muslim" to describe these men and the comparison to the Catholic priests with "Excuses being made" as though it was part of this discussion.

When questioned, it turned out to be from some debate you listened to where callers made some excuses. Not exactly immediately obvious or immediately relevant to the comments we were making here which were not excusing anything.

Am I supposed to know every time you reply to me that you could actually be referring to something you've watched or read without you indicating it.

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by Marsh.

Not really. You responded to discussion on the use of "Muslim" to describe these men and the comparison to the Catholic priests with "Excuses being made" as though it was part of this discussion.

When questioned, it turned out to be from some debate you listened to where callers made some excuses. Not exactly immediately obvious or immediately relevant to the comments we were making here which were not excusing anything.

Am I supposed to know every time you reply to me that you could actually be referring to something you've watched or read without you indicating it.

My posts are there to be seen, you jumped in without reading the thread, it's obvious

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by Cherie

My posts are there to be seen, you jumped in without reading the thread, it's obvious

No, you're responding to the opinions of people in this thread with comments on opinions of people from some show, without actually stating so. That's stupidity.

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by Marsh.

No, you're responding to the opinions of people in this thread with comments on opinions of people from some show, without actually stating so. That's stupidity.

I did state it twice, if you invest in the thread at least read the previous comments, it's not exactly a 21 pager, shame you jumped in unprepared, now that's stupidity

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by Cherie

I did state it twice, if you invest in the thread at least read the previous comments, it's not exactly a 21 pager, shame you jumped in unprepared, now that's stupidity

Yes, unprepared to have someone respond to MY opinion with "Excuses are being made...." but wait, 5 posts later that was aimed at some "callers" opinion.

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by Marsh.

Yes, unprepared to have someone respond to MY opinion with "Excuses are being made...." but wait, 5 posts later that was aimed at some "callers" opinion.

Nope my points were always based on the debate I listened to yesterday, you just didn't pick up on it in your rush to be right

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by Cherie

Nope my points were always based on the debate I listened to yesterday, you just didn't pick up on it in your rush to be right

No, you responded to my post. Usually that indicates a response to said post.

But, wait, is THIS post about that debate you listen to too?

You never actually say so, so it's hard to tell.

[parmnion]

[QUOTE=Toy Soldier;9545126]By unhelpful I mean that to combat these abhorrent individuals we MUST engage with and integrate with the communities that surround them and - whether you like the sound of it or not - that means diplomacy and holding back on some of that righteous indignation.

Just as feminists attacking or ridiculing males is harmful to equality for females, and black people being spiteful towards white people is harmful to black communities, because rightly or wrongly, people will react badly to perceived injustice.

So again... It really all comes down to whether you'd rather be a part of the solution, or feel better "having a rant" but being ultimately a contributor to
?

Which communities do you wish us to inegrate and engage with?

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by Marsh.

No, you responded to my post. Usually that indicates a response to said post.

But, wait, is THIS post about that debate you listen to too?

You never actually say so, so it's hard to tell.

I didn't realise I had to spell everything out, I expect posters to read the thread especially when it's a short one, I won't make that mistake again

[Toy Soldier]

[QUOTE=parmnion;9545812]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

By unhelpful I mean that to combat these abhorrent individuals we MUST engage with and integrate with the communities that surround them and - whether you like the sound of it or not - that means diplomacy and holding back on some of that righteous indignation.

Just as feminists attacking or ridiculing males is harmful to equality for females, and black people being spiteful towards white people is harmful to black communities, because rightly or wrongly, people will react badly to perceived injustice.

So again... It really all comes down to whether you'd rather be a part of the solution, or feel better "having a rant" but being ultimately a contributor to
?

Which communities do you wish us to inegrate and engage with?

Muslim or asian?

The communities of the mainly Pakistani gang of men who committed these crimes?

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by Cherie

I didn't realise I had to spell everything out, I expect posters to read the thread especially when it's a short one, I won't make that mistake again

Yes, when you respond to my opinion with "Excuses are being made" it's my fault for needing to be spoon fed the fact you aren't talking about my opinion.

Nothing to do with reading a thread which I DID read. But whatever.

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by Marsh.

Yes, when you respond to my opinion with "Excuses are being made" it's my fault for needing to be spoon fed.

Nothing to do with reading a thread which I DID read. But whatever.

Lies

[parmnion]

Why? Why should we have to go round cap in hand to their communities.

What will that achieve?

Round my way people go bashing down the doors of local paedophiles!

Surely them being taxi drivers and that, an outraged and indignified local community someone would do something...but no....why?