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24-09-2017, 09:46 PM | #1 | |||
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https://amp.theguardian.com/commenti...-radical-right
Chose this link to open a discussion on the results of the German elections.
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24-09-2017, 09:52 PM | #2 | |||
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I just can't believe some people can stomach voting for this kind of party. The sheer language that is spewed from it, if not the disgusting policies...
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24-09-2017, 09:55 PM | #3 | |||
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I think it's possibly a reflection of their frustration more than anything, ukip was the same sort of thing.
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24-09-2017, 09:57 PM | #4 | |||
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If Merkel manages to win after flinging the country's doors open to the third world, she must be a witch.
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24-09-2017, 09:59 PM | #5 | |||
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24-09-2017, 10:40 PM | #6 | |||
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No-one's entitled to anything, and there's not unlimited space and resources in Europe.
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24-09-2017, 11:52 PM | #7 | ||
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There’s only one person to blame for the AFD gaining any power and that is Merkel.
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25-09-2017, 05:59 AM | #8 | |||
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I think it's too simple to blame it soley on Merkel and her refugee policy, though it was certainly something they could latch on to and campaign on. I mean, look at the rise of Drumpf in America. They have barely taken in any refugees and their immigration controls are pretty tight. There is a larger force at play- the same thing that caused Brexit and Drumpf, and helped Le Pen and now the AfD.
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25-09-2017, 07:10 AM | #9 | ||
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like bexit - trump - it shows people are not happy and the main partys are not offering a clear path to what we all desire or want.
they are all shooting themselves in the feet. self blame won't ever happen - its coming from the hog. |
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25-09-2017, 08:49 AM | #10 | |||
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25-09-2017, 08:51 AM | #11 | |||
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i cannot believe there were people voting for the AFD, same right party which supported Hitler before WW2
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25-09-2017, 09:33 AM | #12 | |||
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On a side note watching AFD celebrating....I thought I was watching Schinders List ...but in colour |
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25-09-2017, 09:48 AM | #13 | |||
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I think it's mostly anxiety about the pace of social (immigration, civil rights) and economic (automisation, 'gig economy') change. The far right campaigns on the former, scapegoating immigrants and other minorities, while the left focuses on the latter, blaming the bankers and the elite.
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25-09-2017, 10:14 AM | #14 | |||
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If theres anything that the last three years of politics shows you, its that fear sells.
Convince the country that they have an enemy, and let their paranoia see you to a place of power. Tides turning though. People are learning from the mistakes of USA and Britain.
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25-09-2017, 10:54 AM | #15 | ||
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25-09-2017, 11:14 AM | #16 | |||
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25-09-2017, 11:16 AM | #17 | |||
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Of course the left have concerns about mass immigration but the left have a tendency to look at the bigger picture. How did this happen? where did this start? and how can we stop it continuing? They believe the government should be answerable to what we are seeing now I agree with you about scapegoating. Some people, and that includes some on here, can't see beyond the immigrants. For the Right, the only people answerable for mass immigration is the immigrants themselves. They have no interest in cause and effect. Notice how right wing media go all out to protect the government from blame by agitating the masses to blame the immigrants. I'm not sure how some of us can see that whilst others are happy to be deceived and manipulated.
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25-09-2017, 11:34 AM | #18 | |||
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25-09-2017, 11:42 AM | #19 | |||
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Many more people would support increasing taxes on the very wealthy, for example, if we made a pragmatic case about why it would be good for the economy to redistribute wealth to those who would spend it rather than those who hide it in an offshore bank account. Rather than an emotional case i.e. those awful bankers don't deserve to earn that much money! |
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25-09-2017, 12:07 PM | #20 | |||
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25-09-2017, 12:24 PM | #21 | ||
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25-09-2017, 12:28 PM | #22 | |||
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However, I disagree that the right wing are addressing people's economic anxieties. They actually make them worse, IMO. Instead they simply scapegoat the Polish builder or the Mexican cleaner for "taking British /American jobs". |
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25-09-2017, 12:38 PM | #23 | |||
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I find it interesting that all of their votes came from the East there (in blue). is there a reason for that? If I'm not mistaken, the system is quite similar to ours and Merkel (as the clear winner) needs to team up with others to get 50%, but the party that came in 2nd (SPD) aren't interested So Merkel (centre-right) will likely form a coalition with FDP (centre) and Green (centre left), which seems kinda messy
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25-09-2017, 12:45 PM | #24 | ||
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25-09-2017, 01:00 PM | #25 | ||
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AfD have Nazi links and ideologies, genuine ones, I'm not sure if you actually weren't aware of that or are just pretending not to be. So which is it today, Brillo - uninformed, or disingenuous?
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