[Brillopad]

http://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/news/...tting-13789504

A worrying development. Mouth and throat cancers would for me be top of the list of cancers I would most fear getting. Throat cancer can be one of the most difficult to treat and mouth cancer can potentially be disfiguring. Opinions!

[smudgie]

Don't smoke, don't drink and use some nice flavoured condoms for a BJ, haven't a clue what a dam is but I can guess it's for a female.

Seriously though, everything we do nowadays is a danger for this that and the other, you have to work out for yourself what risks you are prepared to take and how you can still have a fun life as well.

[Cherie]

Diseases mutate and find a different part of the body to attack, I think we are all slowly being poisoned anyway by the food we eat and drink and the pollution in the atmosphere and in the seas, its just a question of how long an individuals body can hold out, and that is down to genes I think anyway

[Brillopad]

Originally Posted by Cherie

Diseases mutate and find a different part of the body to attack, I think we are all slowly being poisoned anyway by the food we eat and drink and the pollution in the atmosphere and in the seas, its just a question of how long an individuals body can hold out, and that is down to genes I think anyway

Yes I agree genes have a lot to with whether or not people contract certain diseases. I also agree about pollution and think many don’t realise what all the crap we are breathing in on a daily basis is doing to us. We do however have more control over the food we eat etc, but even that is easier said than done.

[Toy Soldier]

Given that other factors haven't changed much in recent years (smoking actually on the decline in younger generations)... I can only imagine that the major causes are pollutants and processed foods? Maybe even microwaving, given how many people just ignore the fact that you're supposed to leave food to stand for a minute after cooking in a microwave.

I can't see it being down to oral sex or alcohol, people have been doing those for thousands of years .

[Marsh.]

Yeah, remember when Michael Douglas blamed cunnilingus for his throat cancer.

Poor Catherine.

[DemolitionRed]

The reason we are seeing more people with mouth, throat, and tonsils cancer is the HPV virus. The good news is, out of around 200 strains of HPV, only 12 (thus far) have been shown to cause cancer. The bad news is, 8 out of ten people will of contracted the virus during their lifetime. Many will shake the virus off, others will get a harmless form of HPV that will never lead to cancer and some will be the unlucky ones who get a ‘high-risk’ HPV infection.

I believe every adult should know their HPV status and I say this because most people never have any symptoms until its too late.

[Kizzy]

vaping?

[DemolitionRed]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

vaping?

Damn, I hope not. I'm an avid vaper!

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by DemolitionRed

Damn, I hope not. I'm an avid vaper!

Really? And I thought you were intelligent

[DemolitionRed]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

Really? And I thought you were intelligent

Bitch!

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by DemolitionRed

Bitch!

[Toy Soldier]

Ewwww vaping is worse than smoking.

[DemolitionRed]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

Ewwww vaping is worse than smoking.

Why?

[Marsh.]

Vape will kill more people than cigarettes ever did.

[parmnion]

Cocaine maybe.

[Toy Soldier]

Originally Posted by DemolitionRed

Why?

I don't know how to describe the thinking in clear terms... so the only way I can put it is this...

Your average run-down post supermarket / online retail British town center used to consist of 3 bookies, 5 charity shops, and 6 or 7 take-aways.

Now they consist of 3 bookies, 5 charity shops, 6 or 7 take aways... and at least 3 grotty vape shops that constantly change location and owner. And they usually have signs that look like they were done by the guy who made the original XBOX logo after he dropped an acid.

Plus they look like sci-fi crackpipes.

[DemolitionRed]

For all those who think vaping is more dangerous or as bad as smoking, read the most up to date research http://scienceblog.cancerresearchuk....us-as-smoking/

Tests continue and they may or may not find some problems but so far, its looking very positive.

The difference its made for me is, within six months of vaping I could once again run up steep hills and this year I cycled up and over the col du lautaret which is a hell of a climb and not something I could have done when I smoked cigarettes.

[Wizard.]

Originally Posted by Marsh.

Vape will kill more people than cigarettes ever did.

That’s completely not based on any facts.

[Wizard.]

So if I took it up the bum I could get anal cancer? Gays for the HPV vaccine I don’t want to be Jade Goody 2.0!

[Toy Soldier]

Originally Posted by Riley.

So if I took it up the bum I could get anal cancer? Gays for the HPV vaccine I don’t want to be Jade Goody 2.0!

Yep, 90%+ of anal cancers are caused by HPV. Men (gay and straight) can also get knob cancer from it.

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by Riley.

That’s completely not based on any facts.

Well, it's an opinion. But it is based on facts.

It's so new, however, people are looking for any excuse to say they're off the cigs. But have they curbed that addiction to an unhealthy substance? No, they've transferred it to another unhealthy substance which hasn't been tested half as much and the longterm effects aren't yet known.

[Wizard.]

Originally Posted by Marsh.

Well, it's an opinion. But it is based on facts.

It's so new, however, people are looking for any excuse to say they're off the cigs. But have they curbed that addiction to an unhealthy substance? No, they've transferred it to another unhealthy substance which hasn't been tested half as much and the longterm effects aren't yet known.

Look at it this way, those poor people who die in terrorist attacks have no chance of survival, life taken away in the blink of an eye. So if you're going to get ill at least you have more of a fighting chance than sudden death.

[DemolitionRed]

Originally Posted by Marsh.

Well, it's an opinion. But it is based on facts.

It's so new, however, people are looking for any excuse to say they're off the cigs. But have they curbed that addiction to an unhealthy substance? No, they've transferred it to another unhealthy substance which hasn't been tested half as much and the longterm effects aren't yet known.

Its true that they didn't find out about the harm from tobacco tar for some time but then they weren't in modern times and didn't have the knowledge or facilities they have today. Yes, to an extent its a wait and see but from the massive amount of modern research done so far, things are looking positive.

What kills smokers is tar. Nicotine is addictive and when smoked it can cause a temporary increase in blood pressure and an increase in heart rate, but when nicotine is consumed without smoke, blood pressure and heart rate dont increase. Nicorette also contains a harmless form of nicotine.

Its got nothing to do with saying your off cigarettes. I would love to give up nicotine and good grief, I've tried time and again. I've seen people on oxygen in hospital being wheeled outside for a smoke. Addiction is a horrible thing and not something anyone willingly wants. If I can give up the tar, at least that's something.

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by DemolitionRed

Its true that they didn't find out about the harm from tobacco tar for some time but then they weren't in modern times and didn't have the knowledge or facilities they have today. Yes, to an extent its a wait and see but from the massive amount of modern research done so far, things are looking positive.

What kills smokers is tar. Nicotine is addictive and when smoked it can cause a temporary increase in blood pressure and an increase in heart rate, but when nicotine is consumed without smoke, blood pressure and heart rate dont increase. Nicorette also contains a harmless form of nicotine.

Its got nothing to do with saying your off cigarettes. I would love to give up nicotine and good grief, I've tried time and again. I've seen people on oxygen in hospital being wheeled outside for a smoke. Addiction is a horrible thing and not something anyone willingly wants. If I can give up the tar, at least that's something.

For some it is. They feel that walking about with an e-cig hanging out of their mouths 24/7 and proudly exclaim "I haven't had a cig in three weeks". Well, good for you, but you've not beaten the craving or the addiction you've transferred it. But that's my annoyance with a couple of people I know.

As for the harmful effects, it very much is a waiting game, you're right. There's all kinds of chemicals in both cigs and vape, time will tell us.