[parmnion]

The independent not living up to its name.

[waterhog]

Originally Posted by Greg!

So depressing. People complain if muslims "don't integrate into Britain" but also attack them for celebrating Christmas (Nadiya from bake off is another example of this happening)

You can't win with some people

great point. if people want to celebrate it is entirely up to them as this is what our free country offers.

open to all.

I no lots of people that don't do christamas and I do not judge them.

I just do them a bar humbug poem not really

[LeatherTrumpet]

Lol. Like it's anything other than pathetic pc like me marketing crap

Its a disgusting advert as is its justification

[Marsh.]

I don't see why it needs a justification.

It's not as though the advert was depicting the actual religious meaning behind Christmas.

They were portraying the food, gifts, winter wonderland ideal that was brought in by the retail industry to make millions. Everyone seems to celebrate that aspect, even atheists and *gasps* Muslims.

[Wizard.]

People need to get over it. It’s like people who get shocked that some Muslims drink, do drugs or gamble, stop stealing our culture Muslims!

[T*]

it’s an advert
people need better things to worry about
if people want to have Christmas let them, I ain’t religious, my family ain’t religious but we still enjoy joining in with the festive season and Christmas Day, and I know many people from different religions who do the same
just live your god damn life

[AnnieK]

Peace and goodwill to ALL men

[Alf]

Originally Posted by Dezzy

So we shouldn't highlight racism? We should just try to rationalise it instead?

How many times do you need to be told? Islam is not a race, it's an ideology.

[Tom4784]

Originally Posted by Cherie

The discussion about the TESCO advert should maybe have the percentage of negative v positive tweets, if the positive outweigh the negative of course that doesn't sit well with the U.K. is racist narrative nor does it give TESCO any extra publicity...every little helps

Ah, you're trying to change the goalposts. Comparing the amount of positive and negative tweets would achieve nothing, it doesn't change the racism aimed at this ad. All it would do is downplay it.

This whole 'UK is Racist narrative' thing you are trying to push is quite nonsensical and isn't reflected in my posts nor the original article.

[Eddie.]

it's not offensive at all...in fact, I have Muslim friends planning to come over for Christmas Eve...

[bitontheslide]

Lets look at it from another angle, would Tesco's feature a Christian family in an advert for a Muslim festival? I don't think so. People may well celebrate Christmas for all the wrong reasons, but it is still a Christian festival, so I can see it rubbing some people the wrong way. Personally, I couldn't give a crap, the whole thing is just commercialised nonsense, but I do think people have a right to be offended by it

[Brillopad]

Originally Posted by Dezzy

So we shouldn't highlight racism? We should just try to rationalise it instead?

Every sentiment expressed there equally applies to PC. So we shouldn’t highlight OTT PC - we should just try to rationalise it instead?

[Brillopad]

Originally Posted by bitontheslide

Lets look at it from another angle, would Tesco's feature a Christian family in an advert for a Muslim festival? I don't think so. People may well celebrate Christmas for all the wrong reasons, but it is still a Christian festival, so I can see it rubbing some people the wrong way. Personally, I couldn't give a crap, the whole thing is just commercialised nonsense, but I do think people have a right to be offended by it

Well said. Sick of the constant double standards.

[DemolitionRed]

But Muslims do believe in the birth of Christ. Jesus is mentioned repeatedly in the Quran as a great prophet and messenger of God. In fact, Muslims, through the Hadiths, follow Jesus back through lineage to his great ancestors, which makes them firm believers in Jesus. Like Christians, Muslims preach that Jesus was without sin. The birthplace and birth dates of Jesus is different in the Quran to what it is in the bible but Muslims still recognize the birth of Christ as the birth of a great prophet.

The reason Muslims don't normally celebrate Christmas is because they've been raised to believe that Christmas day was modeled after Saturnalia, a Roman Pagan holiday honoring the deity Saturn that was later adopted by Christians. Muslims, like Pagans, believe Christ was born in July.

In Muslim countries, they (unless you're a Christian) don't celebrate Christmas day but in Europe, Christmas is a national holiday that's celebrated by Pagans, Christians, Atheists, and some Muslims.

[DemolitionRed]

Originally Posted by bitontheslide

Lets look at it from another angle, would Tesco's feature a Christian family in an advert for a Muslim festival? I don't think so. People may well celebrate Christmas for all the wrong reasons, but it is still a Christian festival, so I can see it rubbing some people the wrong way. Personally, I couldn't give a crap, the whole thing is just commercialised nonsense, but I do think people have a right to be offended by it

I think Christians are generally offended about their celebration being adopted by Pagans and atheists. At least Muslims believe in Jesus.

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by Dezzy

Ah, you're trying to change the goalposts. Comparing the amount of positive and negative tweets would achieve nothing, it doesn't change the racism aimed at this ad. All it would do is downplay it.

This whole 'UK is Racist narrative' thing you are trying to push is quite nonsensical and isn't reflected in my posts nor the original article.

How is it moving the goal posts to ask for some perspective to this, Twitter is full of trolls yet you only refer to their tweets, maybe it wold be nice for a change and for the Muslim community to hear that their inclusion in a Christian festival was praised, integration cuts both ways

[Cherie]

Christmas Tesco Ad Featuring Muslims Prompts Messages Of Inclusion After Racist Backlash
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'The more festivities we can all enjoy together, the better.'
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Christmas lovers have been sharing their messages of sharing and inclusion after a festive Tesco ad featuring a Muslim family sparked a racist backlash.

Some customers threatened to boycott the supermarket after noticing that its Christmas included scenes of a Muslim family exchanging gifts, while others called it “very wrong”.

In response, fans of the “Everyone’s Welcome” ad have taken to social media to explain why its “wonderful to share the day with everyone,” regardless of their faith.

One man explained how his family celebrates Christmas each year with their Muslim friends.


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Tesco's festive ad sparked a backlash after viewers noticed it included scenes of a a Muslim family celebrating Christmas
“We give our Muslim neighbours’ kids Christmas presents, and they give presents to ours. We share food,” he tweeted.

“They don’t come to church, but then again we don’t go to the mosque when they have us over for Eid.

He added: “Christmas is something everyone can get involved in.”

Many Muslims also wrote about why they enjoy the festive season.

One woman wrote: “I am Muslim and I love Christmas.

“It’s so nice and it’s also cultural. I just love the tastes and smells.”



There we go let's focus on some positivity for a change

[lostalex]

Xmas ads are basically like the Superbowl for the UK. It always makes me laugh when Brits talk shhh-it about America for the fuss about Super Bowl ads, but it's literally the same for Christmas ads in the UK, except instead of looking for something clever and funny, y'all just look for something that makes you feel any kind of emotion. Brits are desperate for something emotional.

[DemolitionRed]

This is a really interesting article about the 25th December https://www.islamicity.org/6407/jesu...and-christmas/

[lostalex]

Originally Posted by DemolitionRed

This is a really interesting article about the 25th December https://www.islamicity.org/6407/jesu...and-christmas/

I don't see how that's relevant. Either you accept Jesus as God or not. That's the basis of the Christian religion, that Jesus was God. Kind of having reverence for him as a prophet (they also worship a pedophile prophet) is not the same thing at all.

Spoiler:

Spoiler:

There is no God. It's all a lie for power and money. and unfortunately it's working.

[DemolitionRed]

Originally Posted by lostalex

I don't see how that's relevant. Either you accept Jesus as God or not. That's the basis of the Christian religion, that Jesus was God. Kind of having reverence for him as a prophet (they also worship a pedophile prophet) is not the same thing at all.

Spoiler:

Spoiler:

There is no God

Its relevant because it explains different reasons why the 25th December is celebrated and why the 25th December is not just a Christian festival.

edited to add: most Christian faiths don't think Jesus is God. They believe Jesus was the son of God and appointed by God.

[lostalex]

Originally Posted by DemolitionRed

Its relevant because it explains different reasons why the 25th December is celebrated and why the 25th December is not just a Christian festival.

edited to add: most Christian faiths don't think Jesus is God. They believe Jesus was the son of God and appointed by God.

Well i'm a catholic and what you just said is blasphemous. please stop offending me now. (j/k sort of, i'm an atheist now) seriously though your protestant ways of devaluing Jesus as the living embodiment of God is offensive. he was not a symbol of God, he was actually God on earth. That is the basis of Christianity. I don't know what Christian church you went to that said that Jesus was not God. It's pretty much the whole point of the religion, no matter what branch, Jesus was God coming to earth and dying for the sins of humanity. If Jesus wasn't God then he wasn't the savior.

once again Spoiler:

Spoiler:

There is no God, it's all a lie.

[Brillopad]

Originally Posted by Alf

How many times do you need to be told? Islam is not a race, it's an ideology.

It is indeed - a man-made ideology just like all religion. People can believe in what they like but when they start trying to shove it down the thoroats of the rest of us then it becomes a problem.

[Cal.]

Can Christians stop pretending it's their holiday? It's MY holiday to stuff as many pigs in blankets down my big fat gob as I can.

[lostalex]

Originally Posted by Cal.

Can Christians stop pretending it's their holiday? It's MY holiday to stuff as many pigs in blankets down my big fat gob as I can.

who's trying to stop you?

so insensitive to muslims. Keep it halal, Asshole!