[LeatherTrumpet]

The billionaire businessman plans to buy Twitter and transform it into a
platform where people can participate in free speech — his plans have been
cheered by many on the right who have previously been critical of the social
media giant for engaging in censorship.

https://www.theblaze.com/news/musk-d...ked-extremists

[Oliver_W]

Eh, I'd say actual liberals are still in around the same place, "woke SJWs" have as much to do with liberals as the equivalent extremists on the "right" do with normie conservatives.

[Alf]

Originally Posted by Oliver_W

Eh, I'd say actual liberals are still in around the same place, "woke SJWs" have as much to do with liberals as the equivalent extremists on the "right" do with normie conservatives.

The problem is that most influential and educational places (universities, schools, television, Hollywood, social media) are filled with the extreme left and the extreme right has no influence. Any extreme right influcers come along and they're silenced. So we get zero balance.

[arista]

Yes those that chant
Defund the Police


Are Crazy Left wingers



Even Bill Maher on his show
(on our SkyComedyHD Mondays late night)
is shocked how crazy the Left has become

[bitontheslide]

the problem is that both houses are tight with numbers at the moment and that gives the progressives more power. This is how extremists gain influence in any democracy

[Toy Soldier]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

This also serves as a good illustration of why the Tories have been in power in the UK for nearly 15 years. That "stretched line" pulled too many people over the dividing line without their politics changing at all.

The SNP is showing signs of going the same way IMO - some things they think are vote winners (because of the internet) are the absolute opposite (in real life)

[LeatherTrumpet]

Its coz Social Media, Elon

[The Slim Reaper]

It's demonstrably not true though. I wish the dems had lurched to the left, but they're the same old centrist no ideas party, beyond protecting corporate interests. Meanwhile republicans tried a coup, have gone even harder for corporate interests, they're banning books, attempting a state and parents lead education system, are banning abortion, have redrawn maps to make it harder for anyone other than them to actually win elections, have taken control of the electoral mechanisms at the state level to make sure that no one can become president without their say so.

It's just a complete myth. About 5 dems want to increase tax on billionaires, that's it - that's the crazy leftist agenda at work.

[Swan]

The problem is, the loudest from both sides are the only ones heard today. The most extreme from both sides make the most noise, and that's the main problem here.

And if anyone dares to say anything against the general consensus from both the extreme left, and right, they're shot down and insulted. Called an idiot, a fascist, a racist, that they have no idea what they're talking about etc etc..."We are right, you are wrong". It's draining, it's not worth the hassle, people just can't be bothered with it, so they either adopt the - 'if you can't beat em join em' approach or they just stay silent and try to get on with their lives the best they can. Im sorry, but the extreme left especially are not willing to reason, they're not willing to debate, they're not willing to accept any kind of opinion that may differ from their's. Examples being - A black man is arrested by a white cop = Racist! (sometimes it genuinely is, granted). It doesn't matter if the black man is guilty or not, the circumstances are never brought into consideration, the white cop obviously singled this man out because he was black, and that's that. And if you don't holler 'racist' too, if you dare to ask questions you're deemed a racist, a white supremacist. It's bollocks quite frankly. Another example - The Trans argument, a woman is a woman, biology doesn't matter, if you identify as a woman you're a woman, if you dare speak out you're a misogynistic pig, a transphobe, you have no idea what you're talking about and so on. There is no reasoning it seems. Nothing is up for discussion anymore.

I have never, and could never support the Tories, that will never happen. But i do agree with Elon's tweet, my support for the left in the past 10 years has wavered somewhat. The very thing the left used to stand for is becoming the opposite, free speech and expression to be precise. If the smallest thing offends, it's cancelled, banned. It goes against what THEY like, so it most be gone. This is what the Tories used to do throughout history. They didn't like something, so they banned it.

Trust me, i agree with more of what the left stand for, or used to, than i do the right. But if i dare to speak out against them, im scum. This is how hundreds of thousands of people feel now, and at the end of the day it gets us nowhere!

[LeatherTrumpet]

CARLSON: When Elon Musk first announced that he was buying Twitter, it was pretty
obvious the Democratic Party would soon become unhinged, not just angry or annoyed in
the way you’re very used to, but instead, legitimately terrified and hysterical.

So today, to herald the coming of the new Soviet America, the administration
announced its own Ministry of Truth. This will be called the Disinformation Governance
Board.

Youtube video

[Alf]

What you need to be interested in is not what Musk has been purchasing but what Bill Gates has been purchasing.

[Toy Soldier]

Originally Posted by The Slim Reaper

It's demonstrably not true though. I wish the dems had lurched to the left, but they're the same old centrist no ideas party, beyond protecting corporate interests. Meanwhile republicans tried a coup, have gone even harder for corporate interests, they're banning books, attempting a state and parents lead education system, are banning abortion, have redrawn maps to make it harder for anyone other than them to actually win elections, have taken control of the electoral mechanisms at the state level to make sure that no one can become president without their say so.

It's just a complete myth. About 5 dems want to increase tax on billionaires, that's it - that's the crazy leftist agenda at work.

I agree that the dems have not lurched to the left, it's more accurate to say that the left has moved further left. Well, no, actually it's MOST accurate to say that the extreme elements at both ends, that have always existed, have gained the illusion of increased scale because of Loud Internet Voices... and that's causing political issues because many decision makers don't seem to realise the illusion.

As always Slim there's little point talking about taxation etc, this is more about the sociological and ideological "left" than the economic left. The moderate and extreme left haven't diverged much on economics at all. In fact there are elements of what would be considered the sociological left who lean quite clearly to the right of moderate lefties economically. Hyperindividualism doesn't lend itself well to actual economic socialism.

[bitontheslide]

there are extreme demands coming from the progressives, but they have little influence. Biden (and the rest of the dems) are basically trump light. They have more in common with trump than is different

America has always been the first to drive the the word police, and that is primarily driven by american cities that are predominantly democrat. I remember their influence going back 50 years, so its certainly not a new thing

[Toy Soldier]

Originally Posted by bitontheslide

there are extreme demands coming from the progressives, but they have little influence. Biden (and the rest of the dems) are basically trump light. They have more in common with trump than is different

America has always been the first to drive the the word police, and that is primarily driven by american cities that are predominantly democrat. I remember their influence going back 50 years, so its certainly not a new thing

America has never really had a left (to speak of) at all - they have a slightly right of centre, and a further right of centre.

[The Slim Reaper]

Originally Posted by bitontheslide

there are extreme demands coming from the progressives, but they have little influence. Biden (and the rest of the dems) are basically trump light. They have more in common with trump than is different

America has always been the first to drive the the word police, and that is primarily driven by american cities that are predominantly democrat. I remember their influence going back 50 years, so its certainly not a new thing

Just enlighten us with a couple of these extreme demands.

[bitontheslide]

i would guess they are perfectly fine with you Slim, so i wont waste my time. We all know what the progressives have been demanding

[The Slim Reaper]

Originally Posted by bitontheslide

i would guess they are perfectly fine with you Slim, so i wont waste my time. We all know what the progressives have been demanding

I don't - what are their extreme demands? Pretty simple question in relation to your post.

[Liam-]

The super wealthy to pay their fair share in taxes
Education to be a right rather than a privilege
Proper accountability for the police forces
Decent healthcare to be a right rather a privilege
Etc, etc.

So extreme, so radical

[Liam-]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

America has never really had a left (to speak of) at all - they have a slightly right of centre, and a further right of centre.

This is sadly true, so anything further left than ‘keep everything the same’ is automatically seen as something too far radical for it to be possible, it’s a wild mentality

[Toy Soldier]

Originally Posted by Liam-

The super wealthy to pay their fair share in taxes
Education to be a right rather than a privilege
Proper accountability for the police forces
Decent healthcare to be a right rather a privilege
Etc, etc.

So extreme, so radical

That's left of centre, not the fringe, don't be disingenuous (or ill-educated take your pick I suppose)

[Liam-]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

That's left of centre, not the fringe, don't be disingenuous (or ill-educated take your pick I suppose)

The statement was that there are extreme demands coming from them progressives’ those are the types of things that the progressives are asking for, the likes of AOC and Bernie are the progressives and they’re the ones commonly labelled as ‘extremists’ for their ideas, by the likes of Musk, Trump any of the Fox News hosts.

(But sure, stick to your usual and just insult people who you don’t agree with, it’s what you’re really good at I suppose)

[Toy Soldier]

Originally Posted by Liam-

The statement was that there are extreme demands coming from them progressives’ those are the types of things that the progressives are asking for, the likes of AOC and Bernie are the progressives and they’re the ones commonly labelled as ‘extremists’ for their ideas, by the likes of Musk, Trump any of the Fox News hosts.



(But sure, stick to your usual and just insult people who you don’t agree with, it’s what you’re really good at I suppose)

I did already say that American politics doesn't have an actual left and assumed we were talking progressives in the population not the centrist politicians who try to pander to them whilst remaining heavily neoliberal capitalist.

[The Slim Reaper]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

That's left of centre, not the fringe, don't be disingenuous (or ill-educated take your pick I suppose)

Therein lies the reality of the modern world. When Obama tried to help with the provision of healthcare he was called a communist for introducing a slighter better than they had, capitalist healthcare system. I agree they aren't big issues, and shouldn't be regarded as historically far left, yet the world has moved so far right, we have conservatives over here, perfectly fine with banning protests, allowing the elections to be handled in a purely partisan manner, law breaking by their representatives etc, etc.

This is the actual world we live in, one where anything that shows the slightest bit of compassion is derided as far left or cancel culture. In a world where corporations are working with governments to take away any ability to redress the balance, and people are cheering on their rights being cancelled before their very eyes whilst believing they are fighting against cancellation.

And that's why no one wants to answer when it comes to policy examples of this out-of-control left (that still has absolutely no power).

[Toy Soldier]

Originally Posted by The Slim Reaper

Therein lies the reality of the modern world. When Obama tried to help with the provision of healthcare he was called a communist for introducing a slighter better than they had, capitalist healthcare system. I agree they aren't big issues, and shouldn't be regarded as historically far left, yet the world has moved so far right, we have conservatives over here, perfectly fine with banning protests, allowing the elections to be handled in a purely partisan manner, law breaking by their representatives etc, etc.

This is the actual world we live in, one where anything that shows the slightest bit of compassion is derided as far left or cancel culture. In a world where corporations are working with governments to take away any ability to redress the balance, and people are cheering on their rights being cancelled before their very eyes whilst believing they are fighting against cancellation.

And that's why no one wants to answer when it comes to policy examples of this out-of-control left (that still has absolutely no power).

You're only looking at one side of the coin and it's not even sociological realistic. The general population has not "become right wing". Parties like Labour and the Democrats in the US adopted rhetoric (not economic, social) that they MISTAKENLY thought was popular/vote winning and it was not; it was loud voices. Loud voices on the far right, loud voices on the far left, but few in number, not the tides you need to consistently win elections. The bulk of the population - which is dotted around the centre - stood relatively still but found themselves with no political home on the left so moved over to the right under the guise of them "speaking sense". They were duped, of course, but that's largely irrelevant to this part of the discussion.

[LeatherTrumpet]