[LeatherTrumpet]

Originally Posted by Mariah_Carey

Stop deflecting.

People give to charity what they can afford, and don't if they can't.
It's all relative.

I was just pointing out the ridiculousness of your respect for an old lady donating what she can afford and no respect for a millionaire donating what he can afford. They're both the same.

incorrect. one gives when they cant afford out of simple charity the other gives because he realizes he has to or he will be seen as a dick

and what he gives is irrelevant as its a tiny fraction of his wealth

lets see him donate say £10,000,000 then he should be applauded



massive difference

[LeatherTrumpet]

this is who sheeran "gives" to or "supports"

East Anglia's Children's Hospices
Elton John AIDS Foundation
GRAMMY Foundation (America)
Musicians on Call (America)
ONE Campaign (Africa)

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by Isaiah 7:14

incorrect. one gives when they cant afford out of simple charity the other gives because he realizes he has to or he will be seen as a dick

and what he gives is irrelevant as its a tiny fraction of his wealth

lets see him donate say £10,000,000 then he should be applauded



massive difference

Not a massive difference at all. £1 is a tiny fraction of the old lady's "wealth". It's disposable income so she's not giving anything that she can't afford.

But you're refusing to see that very simple point because you don't like Sheeran.

Damned if he does, damned if he doesn't. Mentions he donates to charity - he's doing it so he doesn't look like a dick or for attention. Doesn't mention he donates to charity - he's a selfish, rich, elitist arsehole.

Jealousy doesn't suit you Isaiah.

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by Isaiah 7:14

this is who sheeran "gives" to or "supports"

East Anglia's Children's Hospices
Elton John AIDS Foundation
GRAMMY Foundation (America)
Musicians on Call (America)
ONE Campaign (Africa)

So?

Unless you're his accountant you really have no grounds to comment.

[LeatherTrumpet]

Originally Posted by Mariah_Carey

Not a massive difference at all. £1 is a tiny fraction of the old lady's "wealth". It's disposable income so she's not giving anything that she can't afford.

But you're refusing to see that very simple point because you don't like Sheeran.

Damned if he does, damned if he doesn't. Mentions he donates to charity - he's doing it so he doesn't look like a dick or for attention. Doesn't mention he donates to charity - he's a selfish, rich, elitist arsehole.

Jealousy doesn't suit you Isaiah.

im not sure what you are driving at as all i said was id admire the old lady rather than that ginger **** but if you cant see the difference in the scenario then either you are being deliberately dense or just being dense deliberately

i suspect the later and former..

[DemolitionRed]

Originally Posted by Isaiah 7:14

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Do you agree with Sheeran, who has about 4 houses around the world last count, that socialism is the way forward?

Yes I agree with Sheeran. He's a guy who understands that Corbyn isn't going to turn us into some Cold War Russia . He understands the difference between democratic socialism and social democrat... neither btw can be considered Marxist. Understanding that, he knows he gets to keep his millions and can have as many houses as he wants. He's a man with a clue

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by Isaiah 7:14

im not sure what you are driving at as all i said was id admire the old lady rather than that ginger **** but if you cant see the difference in the scenario then either you are being deliberately dense or just being dense deliberately

i suspect the later and former..

What I'm driving at is what you just said. Finding some non existent noble act in the old lady and demonising Ed's donations because you don't like him.

Obviously.

"Ginger ****" Stay jealous.

[DemolitionRed]

Originally Posted by Livia

I think it's great, so long as he pays his 98% tax, that's what top rate earners were paying under the Labour government in the 70s, which is when Corbyn was at his Reddest.

Lets look at what Corbyn was doing in the 70s... politically that is. He had a seat with Haringey Council so he was only involved in local politics, making sure local stuff ran smoothly. He wasn't running, or having anything to do with the treasury.

As for him taking us back to the 70s. Were those the times when you could come through uni debt free and walk straight into a guaranteed a good job? Where they the times when houses only cost 3 times your gross salary? and were those the times when if you were on the lower pay scale, you could rent a council house; a house you could keep for life without having to pay exhorbitant letting fees and worry about being kicked out after a year? Were those the days when a two parent family could afford to have one parent not going to work so they could raise their children? The times when utility bills were kept in line with wages and when people didn't use food banks and even the poor could afford to travel by train?

This is what Corbyn means when he says he wants to take us back to the 70s and its a darn sight better than the Tory's who have taken us back to Victorian times.

[DemolitionRed]

Originally Posted by NanaChristmas

It does us all good to be charitable.
I can't fault anyone just because they have loads of money, anymore than I could if they had less.

I agree with this. There are plenty of people who are well off through honest means and they tend to be the most charitable.

I think what LT is trying to suggest is, if we had a Corbyn government, nobody would be wealthy. That the wealthy would have to give back their wealth to the needy and live more humble lives. Of course this is ridiculous but this is the sort of thing Right wing propaganda has been spewing since Corbyn became a 'thing'.

[DemolitionRed]

Originally Posted by Isaiah 7:14

incorrect. one gives when they cant afford out of simple charity the other gives because he realizes he has to or he will be seen as a dick

and what he gives is irrelevant as its a tiny fraction of his wealth

lets see him donate say £10,000,000 then he should be applauded



massive difference

That sounds suspiciously like a hard line socialist view. I'm baffled by your judgement of the rich LT.

[Alf]

I had to laugh today, I saw a Jeremy Corbyn 2018 annual in Waterstones.

Kizzy is getting that

[LeatherTrumpet]

Originally Posted by DemolitionRed

That sounds suspiciously like a hard line socialist view. I'm baffled by your judgement of the rich LT.

should you not be baffled by sheeran?

[Withano]

Ed has correct opinions too sometimes your day will come.

[Brillopad]

Originally Posted by DemolitionRed

Lets look at what Corbyn was doing in the 70s... politically that is. He had a seat with Haringey Council so he was only involved in local politics, making sure local stuff ran smoothly. He wasn't running, or having anything to do with the treasury.

As for him taking us back to the 70s. Were those the times when you could come through uni debt free and walk straight into a guaranteed a good job? Where they the times when houses only cost 3 times your gross salary? and were those the times when if you were on the lower pay scale, you could rent a council house; a house you could keep for life without having to pay exhorbitant letting fees and worry about being kicked out after a year? Were those the days when a two parent family could afford to have one parent not going to work so they could raise their children? The times when utility bills were kept in line with wages and when people didn't use food banks and even the poor could afford to travel by train?

This is what Corbyn means when he says he wants to take us back to the 70s and its a darn sight better than the Tory's who have taken us back to Victorian times.

Were you there - doesn’t sound like it. You speak as though going to uni was the norm in the seventies when it wasn’t. Maybe it was in your world but not for the majority. Most people worked their way up into good jobs rather than walking straight into them with their nice free degrees at the taxpayers expense.

Most things worth having don’t come free or easy so why should a uni degree and the accompanying lifestyle be any different. School leavers struggled to get jobs even in London in the seventies so not exactly the free ride you seem to be implying. Just Sounds like those with a sense of entitlement want their nice free uni degrees with all the benefits but none of the pain.

[Brother Leon]

How dare a human being care about other people aswell as themselves regardless of class and wealth. What a shocking turn of events.

[DemolitionRed]

Originally Posted by Isaiah 7:14

should you not be baffled by sheeran?

Jealousy looks terrible on you and yet you continue to wear it.

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by DemolitionRed

Lets look at what Corbyn was doing in the 70s... politically that is. He had a seat with Haringey Council so he was only involved in local politics, making sure local stuff ran smoothly. He wasn't running, or having anything to do with the treasury.

As for him taking us back to the 70s. Were those the times when you could come through uni debt free and walk straight into a guaranteed a good job? Where they the times when houses only cost 3 times your gross salary? and were those the times when if you were on the lower pay scale, you could rent a council house; a house you could keep for life without having to pay exhorbitant letting fees and worry about being kicked out after a year? Were those the days when a two parent family could afford to have one parent not going to work so they could raise their children? The times when utility bills were kept in line with wages and when people didn't use food banks and even the poor could afford to travel by train?

This is what Corbyn means when he says he wants to take us back to the 70s and its a darn sight better than the Tory's who have taken us back to Victorian times.

Well said! I'm sick of hearing this 'take us back to the 70s claptrap' it's just anothe media driven mantra that some who are too ignorant will swallow if they aren't clever enough to research the fact that that is utter balls... What was the tory party like in the 70s? Old heath, what a barrel of laughs it was once he got in! predecessor to the milk snatcher and it was downhill from there .

[DemolitionRed]

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[Brillopad]

Originally Posted by DemolitionRed

I agree with this. There are plenty of people who are well off through honest means and they tend to be the most charitable.

I think what LT is trying to suggest is, if we had a Corbyn government, nobody would be wealthy. That the wealthy would have to give back their wealth to the needy and live more humble lives. Of course this is ridiculous but this is the sort of thing Right wing propaganda has been spewing since Corbyn became a 'thing'.

More like a fad! And we all know how lasting fads are. Blink and they’re gone.

[Kizzy]

Youtube video

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by Brillopad

More like a fad! And we all know how lasting fads are. Blink and they’re gone.

Let's hope this tory inspired fascism is a fad then

Youtube video

[DemolitionRed]

Since the dawn of the Brexit vote, the Tory party really have flirted with fascism but they have been showing fascist tendencies since 2010. It was the novelist Michael Rosen who warned us a few years back, "“fascism arrives as your friend” and not in “fancy dress”.

Fascism: I sometimes fear...

I sometimes fear that
people think that fascism arrives in fancy dress
worn by grotesques and monsters
as played out in endless re-runs of the Nazis.

Fascism arrives as your friend.
It will restore your honour,
make you feel proud,
protect your house,
give you a job,
clean up the neighbourhood,
remind you of how great you once were,
clear out the venal and the corrupt,
remove anything you feel is unlike you...

It doesn't walk in saying,
"Our programme means militias, mass imprisonments, transportations, wars and persecution."

http://michaelrosenblog.blogspot.co....imes-fear.html

[Jase.]

"People buy my records to put on while they make out"

excuse me?

[Brillopad]

Originally Posted by DemolitionRed

Yes I agree with Sheeran. He's a guy who understands that Corbyn isn't going to turn us into some Cold War Russia . He understands the difference between democratic socialism and social democrat... neither btw can be considered Marxist. Understanding that, he knows he gets to keep his millions and can have as many houses as he wants. He's a man with a clue

He is a pop singer - not an economist or a political expert. Let’s Get things into perspective shall we!

[Brillopad]

Originally Posted by DemolitionRed

Since the dawn of the Brexit vote, the Tory party really have flirted with fascism but they have been showing fascist tendencies since 2010. It was the novelist Michael Rosen who warned us a few years back, "“fascism arrives as your friend” and not in “fancy dress”.

Fascism: I sometimes fear...

I sometimes fear that
people think that fascism arrives in fancy dress
worn by grotesques and monsters
as played out in endless re-runs of the Nazis.

Fascism arrives as your friend.
It will restore your honour,
make you feel proud,
protect your house,
give you a job,
clean up the neighbourhood,
remind you of how great you once were,
clear out the venal and the corrupt,
remove anything you feel is unlike you...

It doesn't walk in saying,
"Our programme means militias, mass imprisonments, transportations, wars and persecution."

http://michaelrosenblog.blogspot.co....imes-fear.html

Sounds just like Corbyn and his cronies - you do get that don’t you!