[smudgie]

Death penalty or not, the choice to murder someone is up to you, so be aware of the consequences.

[LeatherTrumpet]

Originally Posted by Nutcracker Sweet

For those people who think it's terribly wrong to kill someone who has inflicted fear and pain onto kids and people,and a lifetime of unhappiness for their families, but it's ok to do the very same to some animals so you can eat them, that sounds logical.

or kill an animal because no one wants to look after it

[Kazanne]

Originally Posted by Isaiah 7:14

or kill an animal because no one wants to look after it

Yes,and that LT.

[DemolitionRed]

Originally Posted by jet

You keep referring to a court of law, WHY? I'm referring to a persons own feelings, how many times do I have to say it.
So they can passionately want death for revenge for their loved one, but not for someone else's loved one? They only want CP when it is personal to them?

You can't run law on an emotional level. It seems to me that the people who shout the loudest about Islamic law, want to incorporate an Islamic law style system over here. In certain Islamic countries, rape and murder are treated on an emotional level. The family are asked if they want the culprit to receive the death sentence.

[thesheriff443]

Its illegal to kill a murderer but legal to kill an unborn child with an abortion..

Us humans are a strange animal.

[Wizard.]

Originally Posted by AnnieK

You can't presume to know what people know or don't tbh and you are normally the first to call people out on that. I don't think prison is a hi de hi holiday camp but o don't think its tough enough to act as a deterrent and yes I know people who have been in prison who say its an easy life. I also know plenty of prisoner officers who will confirm that too.

Yeah I have heard people from prison who go in and see it as free gym membership and come out looking like Dwayne Johnson although this is for more minor criminals who don't warrant the death penalty.

[Wizard.]

Originally Posted by thesheriff443

Its illegal to kill a murderer but legal to kill an unborn child with an abortion..

Us humans are a strange animal.

I agree with abortion, I think that's a different matter, but for example humans shoot and hunt harmless animals as a 'fun' activity yet evil people can't be given the death penalty? Also it's about choice, America has the death penalty, and although hardly uses it, it's still a good option for extreme cases. How is it okay to 'shoot and kill' certain criminals on the scene but the justice system doesn't allow a death sentence?

[Tom4784]

Originally Posted by AnnieK

You can't presume to know what people know or don't tbh and you are normally the first to call people out on that. I don't think prison is a hi de hi holiday camp but o don't think its tough enough to act as a deterrent and yes I know people who have been in prison who say its an easy life. I also know plenty of prisoner officers who will confirm that too.

It's an observation and it's not the same as what happened earlier so I don't really see the relevance of the comparison here.

Originally Posted by Isaiah 7:14

You know plenty of people who have been in prison?

really?

I do, I live in a rough area.

[Tom4784]

Originally Posted by thesheriff443

Its illegal to kill a murderer but legal to kill an unborn child with an abortion..

Us humans are a strange animal.

Yes, it's legal to abort a bunch of cells, I don't know why you are comparing a foetus to a human being, it's a very flawed comparison.

[jet]

Originally Posted by DemolitionRed

You can't run law on an emotional level. It seems to me that the people who shout the loudest about Islamic law, want to incorporate an Islamic law style system over here. In certain Islamic countries, rape and murder are treated on an emotional level. The family are asked if they want the culprit to receive the death sentence.

I have never discussed Islamic law on here so not sure why you responded to my post implying I shout loudly about it.

[AnnieK]

Originally Posted by Dezzy

It's an observation and it's not the same as what happened earlier so I don't really see the relevance of the comparison here.



I do, I live in a rough area.

Don't quite understand this Dezzy, you said you know people who have been in prison who said its not a holiday camp, I said I know people who have and said its not hard. How is that comparison not relevant? Its a counter argument to yours so if my argument is not relevant then surely that negates yours? Not trying to be arsey here but not sure I understand what you mean

[Tom4784]

Originally Posted by AnnieK

Don't quite understand this Dezzy, you said you know people who have been in prison who said its not a holiday camp, I said I know people who have and said its not hard. How is that comparison not relevant? Its a counter argument to yours so if my argument is not relevant then surely that negates yours? Not trying to be arsey here but not sure I understand what you mean

I'm talking about you essentially saying I'm a hypocrite, not that your experiences contradict mine. I didn't even mention your experiences.

[AnnieK]

Originally Posted by Dezzy

I'm talking about you essentially saying I'm a hypocrite, not that your experiences contradict mine. I didn't even mention your experiences.

I didn't mean YOU were a hypocrite but if someone else had made a blanket statement as you did about you would be calling out people for making assumptions about people's personal experience that you know nothing about. I personally said that I think prisons are too soft and in your statement you said that people who think prisons are like a hi-de-hi camp have no experience of the prison system or what happens therein. I was just saying I took exception to that, as I DO have experience and STILL think they are too soft. That is all. I'm not about to get into a tit for tat argument as that really isn't my intention but reading that just riled me

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by Isaiah 7:14

No they dont

How do you know?.... Do you know how many killers have offed themselves in modern history or on suicide watch?

[LeatherTrumpet]

Originally Posted by Christmas treeza

How do you know?.... Do you know how many killers have offed themselves in modern history or on suicide watch?

so how do you know why they did that then?

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by Nutcracker Sweet

For those people who think it's terribly wrong to kill someone who has inflicted fear and pain onto kids and people,and a lifetime of unhappiness for their families, but it's ok to do the very same to some animals so you can eat them, that sounds logical.

Almost as logical as you making that completely ridiculous and unrelated comparison to begin with.

For those who think it's terribly just to kill people found guilty in a courtroom. Is this bloodthirst worth the innocent people wrongly convicted and sentenced to death?

How can we justify calling murder morally wrong in our society whilst simultaneously calling for people to be killed like a baying mob?

[LeatherTrumpet]

It would be good to get a hangman back in business (and creating jobs) and the death could be streamed live to the families first and then on sky after 9pm. Jeremy Vine would be a good host but it would have to run advert free I think.

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by Isaiah 7:14

It would be good to get a hangman back in business (and creating jobs) and the death could be streamed live to the families first and then on sky after 9pm. Jeremy Vine would be a good host but it would have to run advert free I think.

Jeremy vine should be hanged first. Just to test the apparatus is functioning correctly of course.

Maybe a guest presenter each week who gives it a go?

[LeatherTrumpet]

Originally Posted by Mariah_Carey

Jeremy vine should be hanged first. Just to test the apparatus is functioning correctly of course.

Maybe a guest presenter each week who gives it a go?

I know you are thinking rylan

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by Isaiah 7:14

I know you are thinking rylan

[Toy Soldier]

Originally Posted by Mariah_Carey

Maybe a guest presenter each week who gives it a go?

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by Toy Santa

[LeatherTrumpet]

Sponsored by Strepsils?

[Tom4784]

Originally Posted by AnnieK

I didn't mean YOU were a hypocrite but if someone else had made a blanket statement as you did about you would be calling out people for making assumptions about people's personal experience that you know nothing about. I personally said that I think prisons are too soft and in your statement you said that people who think prisons are like a hi-de-hi camp have no experience of the prison system or what happens therein. I was just saying I took exception to that, as I DO have experience and STILL think they are too soft. That is all. I'm not about to get into a tit for tat argument as that really isn't my intention but reading that just riled me

It's not a blanket statement though, it never was.

I'm just commenting on my own experiences, opinions and accounts of people I've known that have actually experienced prison first hand. Throughout life, I've found more often than not, the people who are quick to say the prison is too easy have typically never been near a prison in their lives. If your experiences are different then good for you but you aren't going to change my mind and I don't really care for the sense of your outrage given that it's because you read more into it than I had written.

If you have a problem with my statement then surely you should take issue with your own since they are not different.

[AnnieK]

Originally Posted by Dezzy

It's not a blanket statement though, it never was.

I'm just commenting on my own experiences, opinions and accounts of people I've known that have actually experienced prison first hand. Throughout life, I've found more often than not, the people who are quick to say the prison is too easy have typically never been near a prison in their lives. If your experiences are different then good for you but you aren't going to change my mind and I don't really care for the sense of your outrage given that it's because you read more into it than I had written.

If you have a problem with my statement then surely you should take issue with your own since they are not different.

Oh Dezzy, now I see why people get exasperated with you. The difference between the two statements was I was saying I feel its too easy whilst you were saying that people who think its too easy have no experience. Opinion versus blanket statement. I really don't care that much about it and had no sense of outrage as you put it but wanted to get it across that people who think it is too easy CAN and DO have experiences other than yours.