[Wizard.]

It seems to me that whilst India’s opinion and feelings are valid that it’s surelt hypocritical of her to be argue against somebody’s sexual preferences. Genuwine can choose who he does and does not sleep with and and it’s nobodies place to say otherwise.

[Jamie89]

Originally Posted by Vicky.

Your sexuality is your own business, but personally if I was shagging a pre-op transman I would consider myself bi as the transman is female. Post op...not sure, but its not the same as a man as its all surgically constructed (also SRS for transmen is nowhere near as avanced as SRS for transwomen) but fairly sure I would still see them as female, just with...male features or something.

I think I have mentioned my extended family member before but there is a similar situation going on pretty close to me at the moment. A family member is dating a transwoman, the transwoman wants srs but my family member says she is not a lesbian and wants a cock to shag, basically. So she considers herself in a straight relationship.

Its all a bit..confusing really.But however someone looks at it, sex is a valid reason to turn someone down. Sexuality is not something anyone needs to 'get over' or be considered transphobic tbh..that does imply sexuality is a choice.

Yeah I think I remember you mentioning that before. Similarly I used to work with a woman who was married to a man who fully transitioned to female (he was a crossdresser at first and later came out as transsexual) and she stayed with him throughout. She said that she considered him female but in terms of her sexuality still considered herself to be straight. Like most of these conversations though the deeper you get the more you sort of see all these labels as being pretty redundant when talking about such complex and unique situations I think.

Originally Posted by Monkey Slut

I think it comes down to other people's perceptions, honestly.

I don't it's the same either.

I think it seems to come down to whether or not you see the trans person as the gender that they've transitioned to (and possibly added to that how it might affect your views of your own sexuality). I'm going to do a poll I've decided and match it to the 'do you consider transmen to be men' poll and do some scientific analysis

Originally Posted by Brillopad

Sorry Jamie, no disrespect intended, but if I dated a man only to discover he had once been a woman I would struggle with that and believe I would not be able to get past it. It would be too uncomfortable for me. I think it would be a big deal for many people.

That would be your right Brillo. It's the 'why' that I find interesting because I wasn't really sure what the problem would be if it was only their trans status that was the issue.

[Osjama]

India isn’t entitled to a date or sex

Sexuality isn’t smth u can change just bc some bitter trans woman said so

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by -Sue-

Nadia Almada & Luke Anderson the only 2 housemates I can remember were nothing like India.. they were so easygoing and we actually got to know them as people not just their transgender side of things..

[Ant.]

Originally Posted by Riley.

It seems to me that whilst India’s opinion and feelings are valid that it’s surelt hypocritical of her to be argue against somebody’s sexual preferences. Genuwine can choose who he does and does not sleep with and and it’s nobodies place to say otherwise.

This sums up my feelings exactly

[poppsywoppsy]

There are many things in people's lives which they have to struggle against every single day.

It may not be something which affects their dealings with the opposite sex but can control their lives in a way they might not want or like.

Do they rant and rail against the wider community about their lot and expect them to fund their problem when they earn more than a lot of their neighbours.

Do they want others not to notice their problems and change their thinking towards it.

India is not disabled or mentally challenged. She has a good job, has her health and her mother is supportive.

She has had her surgery free, yet still thinks the world owes her something.

Most people have something we find about ourselves which we wish was different but do not let it become the main topic of conversation over and over again and demand others think the same way.

India is a first class bore, no wonder she hasn't had a relationship in years, who could put up with her?

[Smithy]

I suppose where India’s issue lies is that by someone saying they wouldn’t date a trans person, that that person doesn’t see the trans person as an actual member of that gender, so by genuine saying he wouldn’t date her because she’s trans, he’s saying he doesn’t see her as an actual woman

[parmnion]

Originally Posted by Smithy

I suppose where India’s issue lies is that by someone saying they wouldn’t date a trans person, that that person doesn’t see the trans person as an actual member of that gender, so by genuine saying he wouldn’t date her because she’s trans, he’s saying he doesn’t see her as an actual woman

People do think like that, so i ask them would they date a woman to man trans as they should still see him as a woman?

[poppsywoppsy]

Originally Posted by Smithy

I suppose where India’s issue lies is that by someone saying they wouldn’t date a trans person, that that person doesn’t see the trans person as an actual member of that gender, so by genuine saying he wouldn’t date her because she’s trans, he’s saying he doesn’t see her as an actual woman

If that is his honest opinion, what is she going to do about it.

Stamp away and go to bed, that will solve everything.

Just realise you will not change everyone's opinion and get over it.

[smudgie]

Some people will never see India as a woman, it’s just a tad naive of her to think otherwise.
Not saying if it is right or wrong, but it is what it is.

[Brother Leon]

I see nothing wrong with what he said...

[odd sock]

Originally Posted by Jamie89

I'm not really sure on the ins and outs - pardon the expression - of the genitalia post SRS tbh, I was just thinking if in a situation where someone can't tell, and if their genitals did match (god that seems like a bad way of putting it ), and where someone is attracted to them on meeting them and would want to date them (before knowing of their trans status), I know it wouldn't be a common scenario it just puzzles me why someone would completely rule that out as ever being a possibility is all. I totally defend someones right to that preference, I just don't really get it personally is all. (And although I believe India was in the wrong here with how she reacted, I can see how there might be a feeling of hopelessness when you hear something like that and how that might be upsetting).

[Monkey Slut]

Originally Posted by parmnion

People do think like that, so i ask them would they date a woman to man trans as they should still see him as a woman?

I asked that to someone earlier in this thread, he said he'd consider himself straight if he dated a trans man and gay if he dated a trans woman. That doesn't really make sense to me but.....

[-Sue-]

Originally Posted by smudgie

Some people will never see India as a woman, it’s just a tad naive of her to think otherwise.
Not saying if it is right or wrong, but it is what it is.

It's a tricky one I am happy to consider her female however her ranting that she is a 'real woman' I find harder to accept as she was not born that way.

I do not want to offend anyone so I am trying to use the right wording I know literally naff all about transgender or the LGBT as I don't usually look at sexuality/gender/height/colour of skin/etc in that way to like or dislike a person. The way people treat me (others) or their character in general is how I tend to judge people

But you are quite right she needs to understand not everyone is of the same mindset/generation/has the same life experiences so her ability to accept others the way they accept her will do her a ton of favours (if she ever learns to be more polite to others and not be so judgemental, childish, hypocritical etc)

[Vicky.]

Originally Posted by Smithy

I suppose where India’s issue lies is that by someone saying they wouldn’t date a trans person, that that person doesn’t see the trans person as an actual member of that gender, so by genuine saying he wouldn’t date her because she’s trans, he’s saying he doesn’t see her as an actual woman

I wonder if India would be happier if people were blatantly honest and said ' No, I do not see you as a woman, I see you as a transwoman, the two are very different'

Doubt it somehow.

[Vicky.]

Originally Posted by Monkey Slut

I asked that to someone earlier in this thread, he said he'd consider himself straight if he dated a trans man and gay if he dated a trans woman. That doesn't really make sense to me but.....

How does that not make sense? If someone believes that you cannot actually change sex as many people do (and science agrees with this as it stands) then a transman is a female, and a transwoman is a male. Therefor a male person dating a transman is a male datng a female, so straight.

Comes down to if you believe sex is a material thing, or something in ones head really. I would say sex is a real thing, not a feeling. People can have surgeries to mimic the opposite sex if that relieves their dysphoria, but their sex does remain the same, and in a lot of cases you can still tell the original sex anyway. India is definitely one of those cases.

[BBUK-Fan]

I feel India is rude to Ginuwine by the fact they know he has a lot of kids, 9 to be exact, to 5 different women so she asks him about dating a transgender person because he's been with lots of women before so India is bugging him about being with one thinking he'll be with lots more women. I don't like how India is thinking of Ginuwine

[smudgie]

Don’t ask a question if you are not prepared to accept the answer in good faith.
All this victim crap is rubbish, she is 50+ years old, learn to bloody grow up, if she is lucky she will meet the man of her dreams, if he has any sense will run a mile and get away from the misery she is.

[Marsh.]

I'd never date or have sex with a transperson either.

[Jake.]

Originally Posted by Marsh.

I'd never date or have sex with a transperson either.

Luckily enough for them

[Miranda123]

Originally Posted by Vanessa

Malika has India sussed

Im loving Malika right now!!

I really dont think India should go for her, it could get very ugly

And very entertaining lol

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by Jake.

Luckily enough for them

You cheeky bitch. Anyone would be lUCKY to have me.

[GoldHeart]

Originally Posted by Gusto Brunt

Ginuwine's entitled to his view.

Exactly

Not everyone would be comfortable dating a trans person it's a fact . So India needs to get over herself .

[C_JEE]

Gosh - I feel for India's situation but she is not doing anything to help herself or the image of transgender people.
Transgender aside, as a person she is not coming across great. The whole bed move scenario with Ann; the way she dealt with Genuwin's response - all in all, her responses to both show no compassion or grace. She seems to be throwing a lot of tantrums when people don't agree with her.

I find myself wondering if she always been like this? If not, then perhaps it is too early for her to have done a show like CBB. Her emotions still seem very raw.

Either way I hope people remember that she is representing herself & not all transgender folk.

[teeeny]

i wonder would she date a trans man? not liking India at all very hypocritical and Malika was exactly right, shes a victim