[Alf]

Originally Posted by Ja$e

"Shagging" is such a British word

The word Bonking should make a comeback.

[Vicky.]

Originally Posted by Withano

I dont either at the question you asked (not every single time anyway, obviously its influenced by transphobia sometimes). But that last paragraph again isnt what anybody is talking about haha.

The question is implying exactly that though. Anyone who says yes it is discriminatory is saying anyone not wanting to shag (or dating, though its clearly about sex) a transperson is bigoted. Which is clearly ridiculous unless they think that sexuality can/should be just 'got over'. Which many people do think of lesbians. Kind of glad this is being brought into the public eye a bit more as its beren all 'underground'/behind closed doors so far. The more people know about these extreme opinions, the better tbh

[bitontheslide]

is it discriminatory to not want to date old people, is it discriminatory to not want to date people not in your geographic region. The whole concept of it being discriminatory is a joke

[Northern Monkey]

Originally Posted by Vicky.

No it is not. A transwoman is a male person. If a guy is straight, he is perfectly within his rights to say no to dating a male person. As are lesbians. And ditto straight women dating transmen or gay men and transmen.

Its actually fairly rapey to say that anyone should shag anyone else or be called a bigot. Coercion is not good.

Totally 100%

Trying to sexually coerce people by guilt tripping them or blackmailing them is as you say fairly rapey.

[Northern Monkey]

Originally Posted by bitontheslide

is it discriminatory to not want to date old people, is it discriminatory to not want to date people not in your geographic region. The whole concept of it being discriminatory is a joke

Good point

I can’t even believe it’s got to this stage.It’s surreal tbh

[Brother Leon]

No. It's a sexual preference.

[Withano]

Originally Posted by Vicky.

The question is implying exactly that though. Anyone who says yes it is discriminatory is saying anyone not wanting to shag (or dating, though its clearly about sex) a transperson is bigoted. Which is clearly ridiculous unless they think that sexuality can/should be just 'got over'. Which many people do think of lesbians. Kind of glad this is being brought into the public eye a bit more as its beren all 'underground'/behind closed doors so far. The more people know about these extreme opinions, the better tbh

Well now we gotta talk about what people mean by 'date'. You went straight to sex, vicky! Im not sure if others did..

I guess as far as sex goes, its more about turn-ons and turn-offs, and I can see why a person might think that wanting to **** a person until they learn that they're trans is transphobic.. when actually theres more to it. Being turned off by fake tits, or fake cock isnt transphobic, being turned off by the sheer thought of transsexualism is to some people.

Thinking about it, this entire week long debate has probably just been down by individual interpretations of different words haha. Theres so many ways to think about it.

[kystal555]

No if u don't want to date a transexual they don't have to that's ridiculous most men like real woman

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[smudgie]

No.
You date whoever you fancy, gay, straight, bi, or transitional (plus any I have missed out).
You can't be accountable for who turns you on.

[jaxie]

Of course not. You can't tell people who to be attracted to. Or bully them into it.

[Vicky.]

Originally Posted by Withano

Well now we gotta talk about what people mean by 'date'. You went straight to sex, vicky! Im not sure if others did..

I bloody hope its not just me that leapt to sex rather than dating. Surely not just me with a filthy mind

[Alf]

Originally Posted by Vicky.

I bloody hope its not just me that leapt to sex rather than dating. Surely not just me with a filthy mind

Sex mad you are.

[Tom4784]

Of course it isn't. There's not much of a debate about it to be had tbh. You can't guilt trip someone into having a relationship with someone they don't want to.

[iRyan]

I’d consider myself an ally and advocate for the trans community, but I don’t think this question should even be up for debate. Sexual preferences should never be considered discrimination.

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by Withano

Well now we gotta talk about what people mean by 'date'. You went straight to sex, vicky! Im not sure if others did..

I guess as far as sex goes, its more about turn-ons and turn-offs, and I can see why a person might think that wanting to **** a person until they learn that they're trans is transphobic.. when actually theres more to it. Being turned off by fake tits, or fake cock isnt transphobic, being turned off by the sheer thought of transsexualism is to some people.

Thinking about it, this entire week long debate has probably just been down by individual interpretations of different words haha. Theres so many ways to think about it.

Well if they're not someone you're ever going to want a sexual relationship with then what's the point in dating them?

[Smithy]

I think it’s a bit of a grey area, and like I said in another thread, if I was attracted to a tear and person I’d date them, but I wouldn’t want to sleep with them if I hadn’t had the work done downstairs

I think ruling out every single trans person is slightly discriminatory, say for example

Spoiler:

Aydian, so without even meeting him people would rule him out just because he’s trans? I just don’t get the logic to it, every case is gonna be different so you can just generalise and say I wouldn’t date a trans person

[Vicky.]

He is pretty hot. But if he hasn't had the ops I wouldn't be interested as people who look like men and have fannys are of no interest to me. And if he had had the op done I wouldnt shag him as the constructed penises are just awful and nothing like real ones.

Either way, he probably wouldn't shag me as I am approaching middle age ( ) and he is much hotter than me. So I doubt he cares

Its rare for transpeople to pass that well though and I think most people know that so will associate trans with...'women' who look like blokes, and 'blokes' who just look like butch women. Its also a seriously low number of transpeople who have full SRS so large chances are, a transwoman will have a dick, and a transman a fanjo.

[Marsh.]

His nipples look painted on.

[Marsh.]

How is 30 middle age.

[Vicky.]

Apparently 35 is middle aged I am closer to 40 thaan I am to 20. Which is lovely

[Maru]

Originally Posted by Vicky.

The question is implying exactly that though. Anyone who says yes it is discriminatory is saying anyone not wanting to shag (or dating, though its clearly about sex) a transperson is bigoted. Which is clearly ridiculous unless they think that sexuality can/should be just 'got over'. Which many people do think of lesbians. Kind of glad this is being brought into the public eye a bit more as its beren all 'underground'/behind closed doors so far. The more people know about these extreme opinions, the better tbh

This is how I feel, especially what you said in the end, because it's true. It should come out in the open. I think a lot of the reasons now we are seeing conversations like these on TV is because people on both sides of the issue have gotten over their personal self-consciousness and not letting their speech be dictated by those around them.

Yes, this has put politics more into the mainstream and has made certain elements that are more divisive bubble to the surface, but we're also now seeing a silent majority/middle-ground that does speak for itself now on both sides of the issues.


Anyway, would it be considered amoral if someone who boasted watching transporn chronically declared they would never date a transperson... but without having explicitly stated something clearly bigoted, can we assume their hearts and say they are bigoted without more evidence? After all, you can have sex or do certain acts for lust, but that doesn't necessarily lead to passionate love...

If I'm honest, I think this area is where gender/sexual labels cause more confusion than help us to understand our individual motivators, because sexual trysts are a different beast than marriage I think. I feel like this is where humans can't be put into boxes, because if we're honest, relationships are a bit of a social construct and instincts/urges don't necessarily play nicely with our man-made sense of order (i.e. society).. it feels like it's applying social constructs to something that normally is about being liberated from our personal boxes (i.e. porn, fantasy play, one-night stands, etc).. no one cares if they're violating social norms when they watch porn or choose a sexual partner, actually, that's the thrill sometimes isn't it?

[Lstan]

No its not. No one is owed a relationship and sex, and there is a huge difference between denying someone their rights in the general sense to denying having a relationship with them.

This is an issue that has come up in the lgbt community as I have seen lesbians being called all things under the sun for not wanting to date transwomen and its disgusting.

[Lstan]

Originally Posted by Lister of Smeg

This is what the TV Licence money goes towards

That and covering up paedo rings.

[Tom4784]

Originally Posted by Vicky.

Apparently 35 is middle aged I am closer to 40 thaan I am to 20. Which is lovely

Scott and Marsh surprising you on your next birthday?

[Mystic Mock]

You can't help it if you might not be attracted to the person.

Transphobia or any kind of prejudice only exists when you hate them because of what they are, not because you might not be sexually attracted to them, that's my view on it anyway.