[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by Greg!

It's the Daily Mail that's focusing on this sis rather than the fact that the Scottish NHS got praised as by far the best in the UK recently in a report!!

That's no surprise to me, the DM is trash.

Scotland has its own parliament, an SNP government in place.
What is wrong anyway with this if she is.

I have great admiration for Nicola Sturgeon and I do think the SNP is doing good I'm govt.
If I lived in Scotland I'd be happy to keep Nicola as first Minister for sure.

[Cherie]

well done Nicola ignoring the will of the people, what happened to democracy and honouring it?

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by joeysteele

That's no surprise to me, the DM is trash.

Scotland has its own parliament, an SNP government in place.
What is wrong anyway with this if she is.

I have great admiration for Nicola Sturgeon and I do think the SNP is doing good I'm govt.
If I lived in Scotland I'd be happy to keep Nicola as first Minister for sure.

except the majority of Scottish people voted to stay in the Union or can we dismiss democracy because it's Nicola?

[LeatherTrumpet]

No one in scotland knows when the queens birthdays are or cares about them raising a flag

so its really a non story

[Alf]

Originally Posted by Ammi

...just going off topic with the flag...I was thinking a bit the other day about our National Anthem...obviously should be mostly to represent a nation as people but it’s very Me, me, me more with the queen over the nation itself...I really don’t like it at all actually, nothing about it...some country anthems can feel very emotional in their content, especially in events where the country is being represented../..sporting events...for me, nothing about ours stirs emotion at all...

Don't you teach young children? No wonder everyones growing up to hate their own country.

Feel proud of other countries but not your own.

[Cherie]

whispers...I quite like God Save the Queen

[LeatherTrumpet]

Originally Posted by Cherie

whispers...I quite like God Save the Queen

Lord grant that Marshal Wade
May by thy mighty aid
Victory bring
May he sedition hush
And like a torrent rush
Rebellious Scots to crush
God save the King


Oh yeah, its a keeper

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

Lord grant that Marshal Wade
May by thy mighty aid
Victory bring
May he sedition hush
And like a torrent rush
Rebellious Scots to crush
God save the King


Oh yeah, its a keeper

no one ever gets to that bit, anyway it looks like it is true given recent events

[Livia]

Scotland voted no. They are still part of the UK. Nicola doesn't want to fly the flag though.... fine. We don't want to pay them more per head of capita than any other country in the UK. See how she likes that.

[Ammi]

Originally Posted by Alf

Don't you teach young children? No wonder everyones growing up to hate their own country.

Feel proud of other countries but not your own.

...hmm no, it’s just the anthem itself as an isolated thing/the tune/the lyrics etc I’m not keen on, Alf ...not patriotism that I’m lacking as such...I don’t find it as emotional as some others and for me an anthem should convey emotion ideally...I also don’t think a sovereignty is a nation’s representative in the present day in the same as it was back in the day of the penning of anthems..so a little too much about the queen herself, rather than our nation...I’m all for a great and patriotic anthem, just not really liking this particular one as much as I would like to...I’d just probably like to think about looking to change to a new Anthem is what I guess I’m trying to say...something more representative of the nation of today...maybe get Simon Cowell to look at that one to see if he could help there...

[Livia]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

Lord grant that Marshal Wade
May by thy mighty aid
Victory bring
May he sedition hush
And like a torrent rush
Rebellious Scots to crush
God save the King


Oh yeah, its a keeper

And every year at the rugby we have to listen to that dreadful old dirge... Flower of Scotland, which is about crushing the English - EIGHT HUNDRED YEARS AGO! You'd think you'd all be getting over it by now, Trumpet.

[Ammi]

..I think that rebellious Scots to crush verse isn’t used anymore though...now we’ve realised they’re humans and not strange aliens wearing skirted garments...

[arista]

Yes Political Revenge
many are now saying

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by Ammi

..I think that rebellious Scots to crush verse isn’t used anymore though...now we’ve realised they’re humans and not strange aliens wearing skirted garments...

I don't think we have got that far with LT yet

[Alf]

Originally Posted by Ammi

...hmm no, it’s just the anthem itself as an isolated thing/the tune/the lyrics etc I’m not keen on, Alf ...not patriotism that I’m lacking as such...I don’t find it as emotional as some others and for me an anthem should convey emotion ideally...I also don’t think a sovereignty is a nation’s representative in the present day in the same as it was back in the day of the penning of anthems..so a little too much about the queen herself, rather than our nation...I’m all for a great and patriotic anthem, just not really liking this particular one as much as I would like to...I’d just probably like to think about looking to change to a new Anthem is what I guess I’m trying to say...something more representative of the nation of today...maybe get Simon Cowell to look at that one to see if he could help there...

Fair do's Ammi, but I don't see how you can insinuate that the Queen is selfish when she's given her life to do her duty. And why wouldn't the anthem be about her? she's the symbol of our country.

[Livia]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

No one in scotland knows when the queens birthdays are or cares about them raising a flag

so its really a non story

Except all the people employed on the royal estates, of course.

[Ammi]

Originally Posted by Alf

Fair do's Ammi, but I don't see how you can insinuate that the Queen is selfish when she's given her life to do her duty. And why wouldn't the anthem be about her? she's the symbol of our country.

...sorry Alf I think we’re at a little bit cross purposes here......the me, me, me wasn’t meant to indicate her being a selfish person in character...just more of an expression I used...she personally had no hand in the writing of the words of the anthem...apologies if my posts are a bit off in explaining stuff atm and quite confusing or misguiding etc...

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by Cherie

except the majority of Scottish people voted to stay in the Union or can we dismiss democracy because it's Nicola?

It's a flag.

The vote was to stay part of the UK,how is democracy being flouted by this flag.
Is Scotland now not in the UK because this flag is on display. The
No,of course not.

This is however the Scottish parliament not the UK government parliament.
Were she insisting only the Scottish flag was on display at Westminster, you may have a point.
As it is what on earth is wrong with her plan.

It's for the Queens birthday and the Queen goes there,fly something to indicate she's there.
Whatever Birthday it is.
Why ask ONLY me Cherie anyway,others on this thread agree with Nicola too,you know.

[Alf]

Burns night tomorrow.

[Northern Monkey]

Hardly surprising.To her that flag’s like garlic to a vampire.

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by joeysteele

It's a flag.

The vote was to stay part of the UK,how is democracy being flouted by this flag.
Is Scotland now not in the UK because this flag is on display. The
No,of course not.

This is however the Scottish parliament not the UK government parliament.
Were she insisting only the Scottish flag was on display at Westminster, you may have a point.
As it is what on earth is wrong with her plan.

It's for the Queens birthday and the Queen goes there,fly something to indicate she's there.
Whatever Birthday it is.
Why ask ONLY me Cherie anyway,others on this thread agree with Nicola too,you know.

It's a flag which represents the United Kingdom of which the Queen is the Head so not flying it on her Birthday is a snub to democracy

as to why I quoted you Joey, yes there were other posts I could have quoted like

Legend

Legendary Laydee

etc..

I also quoted LT so don't think I singled you out, yours was one of the few posts that I could quote in SD

[Greg!]

Originally Posted by Livia

Except all the people employed on the royal estates, of course.

oh POOR THEM! Won't affect their jobs in any way mind

[Jordan.]

Edgy

[Toy Soldier]

Originally Posted by Cherie

It's a flag which represents the United Kingdom of which the Queen is the Head so not flying it on her Birthday is a snub to democracy

Rejecting Monarchy is snubbing Democracy? but they're two separate and diametrically opposed political philosophies. Hereditary rule (monarchy) is the opposite of democracy.

[Underscore]

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