[HBIC]

Originally Posted by Adam.

Why should she have too? She had to fight for her rights as a woman

if she hasn't done anything for the lgbt community then she can't be a lgbt role model

[Kazanne]

Originally Posted by Vicky.

She didn't do that. Shane was not talking to Ann about her views, he was talking behind her back to everyone else to try and get them to gang up on Ann. Big difference between trying to educate her, and trying to turn the house against her.

Very good point Vicky

[Lilac hills]

Originally Posted by HBIC

if she hasn't done anything for the lgbt community then she can't be a lgbt role model

Yes she can

More so than Shane j he’s more detrimental to this community than good

[Denver]

Originally Posted by HBIC

if she hasn't done anything for the lgbt community then she can't be a lgbt role model

What has Shane done for the LGBT rights in the UK?

[Underscore]

Originally Posted by Adam.

Why should she have too? She had to fight for her rights as a woman

You can't portray her as an LGBT role model when she has done NOTHING for LGBT rights. She's now benefitting from all of the hard work of activists and lecturing people trying to defend LGBT rights.

[odd sock]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

And it's LGBTQI

I think I heard him say tonight

Its like scrabble porn

[lewis111]

Originally Posted by Vicky.

She didn't do that. Shane was not talking to Ann about her views, he was talking behind her back to everyone else to try and get them to gang up on Ann. Big difference between trying to educate her, and trying to turn the house against her.

I suppose so, but then Amanda should have used that as her argument instead of saying he isn't a platform for LGBT people or whatever she said and then go on to say that he doesn't have the right to challanges Ann's views

[Lilac hills]

Originally Posted by Underscore

You can't portray her as an LGBT role model when she has done NOTHING for LGBT rights. She's now benefitting from all of the hard work of activists and lecturing people trying to defend LGBT rights.

What has Shane j done for lgbt rights other than whine about being called Shane instead of Courtney despite him not being trans?

[AnnieK]

Lol....I think amanda would be horrified to be considered a role model for anything. She seems very happy in her life and marriage and thats about it. At 82, I think her anything modelling fays are behind her.

Shane J was amazing in the first 2 weeks and did an amazing job at least educating viewers on his views about the LBGT community, I loved listening to him challenging India and Ann but now he is just going round bitching and almost trying to recruit housemates to turn against Ann which is not going to educate anyone. He needs to get back to his forthright ways and challenge Ann if he feels he needs to so his views are heard properly again

[Denver]

Originally Posted by lewis111

She doesn't HAVE to but if you're going to be considered more of an LGBT role model than Shane you probably should have

But she is a role model to let everyone know you don't have to run the streets and shout you are gay from the rooftops every second.

Being gay shouldn't define who you are but Shane wants it to define who he is

[lewis111]

Originally Posted by Adam.

What has Shane done for the LGBT rights in the UK?

Why is it UK exclusive

[poppsywoppsy]

Originally Posted by lewis111

She's defending a homophobe though - someone who is an LGBT role model should be doing what they can to get rid of those views and educate people on why they are wrong and that's what Shane is trying to do

Amanda embraces everyone. She doesn't want to educate, who said anyone wants Shane's education, he is as rigid in his views as Ann is in hers, that's why they clash.

How many times was he told not to keep on about Gay rights by Gay people and he totally ignored it and kept on and on.

A first class bore.

[Denver]

Originally Posted by lewis111

Why is it UK exclusive

Because he is the one making a song and dance about Ann's past voting in UK votes

[lewis111]

Originally Posted by Adam.

But she is a role model to let everyone know you don't have to run the streets and shout you are gay from the rooftops every second.

Being gay shouldn't define who you are but Shane wants it to define who he is

No, he just isn't happy that people still believe he isn't equal to straight men and what's to change that and show that he is equal
Amanda is happy people think she's less than straight people because of how she was born

[Underscore]

Originally Posted by Lilac hills

What has Shane j done for lgbt rights other than whine about being called Shane instead of Courtney despite him not being trans?

He wasn't born in the generation that changed LGBT rights. Amanda was.

[HBIC]

Originally Posted by Adam.

What has Shane done for the LGBT rights in the UK?

why just limit it to the UK? And no don't give me the "this is a British show" excuse. The celebrity edition of this show has housemates from all over the world.

[Lilac hills]

Amanda teaches acceptance, Shane j demands acceptance

[Vicky.]

Originally Posted by AnnieK

Lol....I think amanda would be horrified to be considered a role model for anything. She seems very happy in her life and marriage and thats about it. At 82, I think her anything modelling fays are behind her.

Shane J was amazing in the first 2 weeks and did an amazing job at least educating viewers on his views about the LBGT community, I loved listening to him challenging India and Ann but now he is just going round bitching and almost trying to recruit housemates to turn against Ann which is not going to educate anyone. He needs to get back to his forthright ways and challenge Ann if he feels he needs to so his views are heard properly again

Indeed. Agree with every word.

[Withano]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

And it's LGBTQI

I think I heard him say tonight

Its like scrabble porn

Youre gonna lose your **** at Lgbtqqiaap

[Natawho]

Originally Posted by AnnieK

Lol....I think amanda would be horrified to be considered a role model for anything. She seems very happy in her life and marriage and thats about it. At 82, I think her anything modelling fays are behind her.

Shane J was amazing in the first 2 weeks and did an amazing job at least educating viewers on his views about the LBGT community, I loved listening to him challenging India and Ann but now he is just going round bitching and almost trying to recruit housemates to turn against Ann which is not going to educate anyone. He needs to get back to his forthright ways and challenge Ann if he feels he needs to so his views are heard properly again

Finally a bit of sweetcorn in this cesspit

[Oliver_W]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

And it's LGBTQI

I think I heard him say tonight

Its like scrabble porn

It's LGBT.

If we get silly and add Q and I, it might end with LGBTTQQFAGPBDSM being taken seriously

[poppsywoppsy]

Originally Posted by Underscore

You can't portray her as an LGBT role model when she has done NOTHING for LGBT rights. She's now benefitting from all of the hard work of activists and lecturing people trying to defend LGBT rights.

I think you may have had little insight into how it was in Amanda's early life.

There were gay women who came out like Dusty Springfield and Maggie Bell.

They did more for Gay rights in the 50/60s by being in the public eye and LGBT were nowhere so they do not have the monopoly on how it has become today.

I would gladly accept Amanda's concept of her Gay life but would run a mile at these activists who want to ramrod their views down people's throats. In my view they are turning people off rather than welcoming them.

They work on a shame agenda, if you are not with us, you are homophobic and I find this attitude far more destructive than building relations in the community.

[odd sock]

Originally Posted by Underscore

Not being funny but Amanda is hardly at the forefront for the fight for LGBT rights

Why because she doesn't shout about it from the roof tops every five minutes ? She is a credit to the gay community, just a lovely normal lady.

[lewis111]

I get that what Shane did and they way he went about it were wrong, and Amanda saying Ann is not dictating her views is also true

But from what I interpreted from the show it seemed like Amanda was telling Shane he has no right to challange Ann's views rather than he has no right to bitch about her and gang up on them - that's all she had to say and it would be clear she made more sense
She's fine to accept Ann and like her for the person but saying that Shane has to do that as well

[lewis111]

LGBTQ makes the most sense as Q is an umblress term for all others