[LeatherTrumpet]

Originally Posted by luvjustin

She still holds those views. She still stands by those opinions.

And her reasoning was BS.

i see you are rather fond of your own opinion

but not of others..

[Alf]

Is there a gay gene?

If there is, how does it get passed on, in a civil partnership or gay marriage?

Gay men used to marry women and have children with them and pass on their genes.

[Tom4784]

Internalised homophobia from a biphobic anti-semite, he is entitled to his views but I don't respect them.

It's not about religion or about anything else other than equal rights, there's benefits to marriage that, until relatively recently were not available to people in non-straight relationships based on nothing more but a definition of a book that's thousands of years old.

[luvjustin]

Originally Posted by Dezzy

Internalised homophobia from a biphobic anti-semite, he is entitled to his views but I don't respect them.

It's not about religion or about anything else other than equal rights, there's benefits to marriage that, until relatively recently were not available to people in non-straight relationships based on nothing more but a definition of a book that's thousands of years old.

Exactly! And if marriage belongs to the church then how is it that marriage appears in every religion on the planet..

[luvjustin]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

i see you are rather fond of your own opinion

but not of others..

Very much so.

And I will gladly listen to someone’s terrible opinions. Until it is my turn to speak and tell them why they are wrong.

[Kazanne]

Originally Posted by luvjustin

She still holds those views. She still stands by those opinions.

And her reasoning was BS.

So even when she explains it,you don't believe it,so what's the point ? you just believe whats in your head

[Cherie]

I would hazard a guess that a lot of people complaining have never bothered to visit the ballot box until Brexit came to bite them on the bum, never mind went on march' s,(Gay Pride aside), its very easy to moan and complain sat at your PC

[Tom4784]

Originally Posted by Kazanne

So even when she explains it,you don't believe it,so what's the point ? you just believe whats in your head

Just because someone explains their views doesn't mean other people has to accept them as the truth. People ARE allowed to hold opposing views, you know.

I didn't think Ann was homophobic for the most part of this series, I thought she had no problem with the gays but disagreed with marriage but it's becoming apparent that she does have homophobic tendencies and I don't think you can expect people to accept that and keep quiet. She's allowed her views and so is everyone else. Like she said in the house earlier on in the series, I believe, 'people are entitled to their offense'.

[Tom4784]

Originally Posted by Cherie

I would hazard a guess that a lot of people complaining have never bothered to visit the ballot box until Brexit came to bite them on the bum, never mind went on march' s,(Gay Pride aside), its very easy to moan and complain sat at your PC

It's also very easy to generalise a group of people based on nothing, it seems.

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by Dezzy

It's also very easy to generalise a group of people based on nothing, it seems.

it is not based on nothing..there are many statistics to back up the lack of political engagement in certain age groups.

[Black Dagger]

He's an ogre

[Ammi]

Originally Posted by Cherie

I would hazard a guess that a lot of people complaining have never bothered to visit the ballot box until Brexit came to bite them on the bum, never mind went on march' s,(Gay Pride aside), its very easy to moan and complain sat at your PC

..but legislation on gay marriages/civil partnership was never a public vote thing so I dont understand how that would equate anyway...

[Shaun]

Forgive me if I'm not swayed by someone who doesn't believe bisexuality exists.

[Tom4784]

Originally Posted by Cherie

it is not based on nothing..there are many statistics to back up the lack of political engagement in certain age groups.

Bit of a silly argument considering that the numbers of youth voters have been higher recently than normal, possibly ever.

I don't think not marching for a cause doesn't make you any less worthy of speaking for it. Marches aren't exactly commonplace and usually they happen in places like London which is not accessible to everyone.

Seems like very slight reasons to try to devalue someone's input into the discussion.

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by Ammi

..but legislation on gay marriages/civil partnership was never a public vote thing so I dont understand how that would equate anyway...

because people were complaining that Amanda and Wayne were not politically involved and are now riding on a wave of other peoples hard work, just wonder how many complaining actually put some work in, lobbied their MP, etc

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by Dezzy

Bit of a silly argument considering that the numbers of youth voters have been higher recently than normal, possibly ever.

I don't think not marching for a cause doesn't make you any less worthy of speaking for it. Marches aren't exactly commonplace and usually they happen in places like London which is not accessible to everyone.

Seems like very slight reasons to try to devalue someone's input into the discussion.

see my response to Ammi

[Tom4784]

Originally Posted by Cherie

because people were complaining that Amanda and Wayne were not politically involved and are now riding on a wave of other peoples hard work, just wonder how many complaining actually put some work in, lobbied their MP, etc

Difference being that they are notable people and the average person is not? They are far from A-listers but if they spoke out about it more people would listen then if it was me or you.

[Trip]

Sorry I deleted my earlier post as I thought I'd posted it on the wrong thread and it's now been quoted.

I wasn't saying that everyone should be active necessarily but to take advantage of others' work and then denigrate their activism seems well dodgy. Perhaps if Amanda had never got those same sex civil rights she'd be a little more challenging?

[Underscore]

Originally Posted by Dezzy

It's also very easy to generalise a group of people based on nothing, it seems.

amen

[Withano]

South Park accurately portrays how ****ing dumb people sound when they say **** lile this. Unfortunately this blokes iPhone copy is the closest to a vid I can get.

Youtube video

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by Dezzy

Difference being that they are notable people and the average person is not? They are far from A-listers but if they spoke out about it more people would listen then if it was me or you.

its not for us to say how involved or uninvolved they should be in anything, I am sure they would make a great splash if they got involved in any cause, its up to them as individuals, we can't force people to front up causes if they have no interest and just want to get on with their lives, we don't ask vegan celebrities to get onboard with animal rights activists, its down to the individual

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by Withano

South Park accurately portrays how ****ing dumb people sound when they say **** lile this. Unfortunately this blokes iPhone copy is the closest to a vid I can get.

Youtube video

is that you laughing

[Livia]

Originally Posted by Cherie

Well he is entitled to his opinion and it seems to me many of the older generation of gays are much more tolerant of others views, which is an interesting turnaround in these days of open mindedness

That's struck me too. Older gay people have had to endure all kinds of crap in the past, and yet here they are, enjoying the integration and the freedoms they have, and that they are entitled to, and not spending time wallowing in the drama of "calling people out". And yet if someone was actually homophobic, they'd be the first to stand up, for themselves, or for other people.

[Livia]

Originally Posted by Cherie

because people were complaining that Amanda and Wayne were not politically involved and are now riding on a wave of other peoples hard work, just wonder how many complaining actually put some work in, lobbied their MP, etc

We really don't know, either, how much input either of them have had in the cause.

[bitontheslide]

If people want to put their opinions across aggressively and are completely intolerant of others, all they will achieve is alienation and they will set their cause back decades. Its all fine and well to be an internet warrior with aggressive opinions, hiding behind a wall of anonymity, but those people won't last long in a real environment