[Greg!]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

How do you know how other people would read it Greg? It makes sense to read it that way for the point she was trying to make

Not really

[GoldHeart]

Originally Posted by Greg!

Not to be pedantic but you said "he's" wasted NHS money

You sound exactly like India now .

[LeatherTrumpet]

Originally Posted by Greg!

Not to be pedantic but you said "he's" wasted NHS money

he was a he before his operation?

[Greg!]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

he was a he before his operation?

You mean "she" was. And actually, no, you are incorrect, she has always been a woman and it is very disrespectful to misgender a transgender person after their transition, even when talking about their pre-op past.

[LeatherTrumpet]

Originally Posted by Greg!

You mean "she" was. And actually, no, you are incorrect, she has always been a woman and it is very disrespectful to misgender a transgender person after their transition, even when talking about their pre-op past.

No what I meant was chuff was talking about when she was a male newsreader and called herself a he which was before her operation when she turned into a woman

She called herself a he then too

[Greg!]

Just because she used to call herself a "he" before she came out and transitioned doesn't mean it's fine to call her a "he" now.

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by Greg!

You mean "she" was. And actually, no, you are incorrect, she has always been a woman and it is very disrespectful to misgender a transgender person after their transition, even when talking about their pre-op past.

that makes no sense, if you are speaking about their lives pre op you would refer to them as to whatever gender they were before the op? and how is that disrespectful

[LeatherTrumpet]

Originally Posted by Greg!

Just because she used to call herself a "he" before she came out and transitioned doesn't mean it's fine to call her a "he" now.

of course not but when referring to him in his newsreading days as Jonathan Willoughby it would be silly to call him a her

You cant now go back and say "oh do you remember that woman who read the news what was she called, oh yeah Jonathan Willoughby?

because it would be untrue

[GoldHeart]

Originally Posted by Cherie

that makes no sense, if you are speaking about their lives pre op you would refer to them as to whatever gender they were before the op? and how is that disrespectful

That's what I was trying to say as well , nevermind things get taken the wrong way on here .

[Greg!]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

of course not but when referring to him in his newsreading days as Jonathan Willoughby it would be silly to call him a her

You cant now go back and say "oh do you remember that woman who read the news what was she called, oh yeah Jonathan Willoughby?

because it would be untrue

It is not that hard to say "her in her news reading days" and say "she used to live as a man". Whatever I cba arguing about this anymore so bye

[chuff me dizzy]

Originally Posted by Greg!

Not to be pedantic but you said "he's" wasted NHS money

Stop nit picking fgs

[Cal.]

Originally Posted by chuff me dizzy

Exactly ! it is 2018 ,gays are fully accepted now, in fact its the norm, the bleating and poor mes are so a hundred years ago

And your evidence for this as a straight woman is ?

[GoldHeart]

Originally Posted by Cal.

And your evidence for this as a straight woman is ?

Pretty sure we've gone off topic now

[LeatherTrumpet]

[chuff me dizzy]

Originally Posted by Greg!

Just because she used to call herself a "he" before she came out and transitioned doesn't mean it's fine to call her a "he" now.

She WAS a he before she had the op

[chuff me dizzy]

Can we get back to NHS funding these type of operations please

[GoldHeart]

Originally Posted by chuff me dizzy

She WAS a he before she had the op

Here we go round the Mulberry bush

[Jamie89]

Gender reassignment is also medical (it's a treatment for gender dysphoria) so I can't really vote in the poll.

I think what a lot of people don't realise is that reassignment surgery isn't actually meant to be a cure for anything, it's done to reduce the dysphoria that a trans person feels to make their lives easier (it can be extremely debilitating for some people), but yeah it doesn't mean they are automatically 'cured'/happy/no longer experience problems. And as well as it being about how they view themselves it's also about how other people treat them, whether they 'pass' or not most people are respectful enough to treat them as the gender they present, which is why misgendering can cause problems for some of them and heighten their dysphoria.
And if you're looking for something physically diagnosible you're not going to find it, it's about the 'feeling' that trans people have. You're either going to have to accept that it exists without hard evidence, or I guess just assume that they're all making it up, up to you really, but knowing trans people, as well as considering what they go through not only in terms of actual treatment but the impact on their lives as well, I know where I stand on it.

[Paula D]

Originally Posted by Greg!

You mean "she" was. And actually, no, you are incorrect, she has always been a woman and it is very disrespectful to misgender a transgender person after their transition, even when talking about their pre-op past.

Sorry Greg but that is bs.

Someone pre-op is a man.

I listened to an interview with Caitlyn Jenner the other night and she referred to her former self as "he" so now you're just trying to stir trouble.

[GoldHeart]

Originally Posted by chuff me dizzy

Can we get back to NHS funding these type of operations please

Like I said we've gone off topic

[Greg!]

Originally Posted by chuff me dizzy

She WAS a he before she had the op

And she is now a she and that is what SHE should be referred as

[Cal.]

Anyway, I think that life threatening procedures and treatments should be implemented before anything else. However, I do think gender reassignment should also be high up on the priority list as it's for a medical condition like anything else. But like people have been saying all series, you wouldn't have a cancer doctor/ward etc dealing with gender reassignment since that is a plastic surgeon's job I believe.

[bitontheslide]

Originally Posted by Greg!

And she is now a she and that is what SHE should be referred as

sorry, but you cant re-write the past

[Bluelight]

Originally Posted by chuff me dizzy

Exactly ! it is 2018 ,gays are fully accepted now, in fact its the norm, the bleating and poor mes are so a hundred years ago

Maybe gays are. But transsexuals are not gays. Gay and transsexual are not related. You have proved India’s point about how the grouping of LGBT confuses.

[LeatherTrumpet]

Originally Posted by Bluelight

Maybe gays are. But transsexuals are not gays. Gay and transsexual are not related. You have proved India’s point about how the grouping of LGBT confuses.

so we should stop saying LGBTQI?