[chuff me dizzy]

Originally Posted by Robodog

What basic rights does she deny?

I never knew she was so powerful !!

[GoldHeart]

Originally Posted by Robodog

So true

Why is her acceptance not enough?
She kisses, hugs them etc
She discusses anything they want to talk about, she listens intently and replies with respect and friendliness.
She clearly has no bad feeling towards them.

What more do they want?

How about taking a leaf out of HER book and accept HER the way she accepts THEM!

They should also take a leaf out of Amanda's book who was such a positive person who didn't need to revolve around labels as that doesn't define her .

When Shane J opens his mouth he always mentions his personal background.

Ann doesn't constantly say "I'm a single Catholic with no kids " .

Amanda didn't keep going on about being in a civil partnership and a atheist

[Greg!]

Originally Posted by Robodog

What basic rights does she deny?

None because she's not actually in power, but in a position of power she would gladly get rid of gay marriage, raise the age of consent, and ban abortions. She also supported section 28 which banned the mention of homosexuality in schools.

[Robodog]

Originally Posted by GoldHeart

They should also take a leaf out of Amanda's book who was such a positive person who didn't need to revolve around labels as that doesn't define her .

When Shane J opens his mouth he always mentions his personal background.

Ann doesn't constantly say "I'm a single Catholic with no kids " .

Amanda didn't go on about being in a civil partnership and a atheist

So true

It's the old question again:

Do you identify people according to type?
Or as individuals?

Wise Amanda was all about the individual.
She knows it's the key to acceptance and peace between different people.

[-Sue-]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

what by dressing up to hide who you really are?

brilliant

Courtney IS a part of who Shane J is..
People dress up everyday (put clothes on)
Women dress up every Friday/Sat night to go 'out on the town' ??
men may wear Joggers & tshirt during the weekend suit and tie mon-friday ??How is Shane being shane/courtney any different? other than being flamboyant?

[Paula D]

Originally Posted by Greg!

None because she's not actually in power, but in a position of power she would gladly get rid of gay marriage, raise the age of consent, and ban abortions. She also supported section 28 which banned the mention of homosexuality in schools.

So she hasn't denied anyone their rights?

Okay, so you take back your previous statement then yes?

[Greg!]

Originally Posted by chuff me dizzy

I never knew she was so powerful !!

I said she "wants" to deny people rights, not that she is actually in a position of power to do so.

[Greg!]

Originally Posted by Paula D

So she hasn't denied anyone their rights?

Okay, so you take back your previous statement then yes?

NO. Read what I actually said babes.

[poppsywoppsy]

Originally Posted by Greg!

None because she's not actually in power, but in a position of power she would gladly get rid of gay marriage, raise the age of consent, and ban abortions. She also supported section 28 which banned the mention of homosexuality in schools.

No, this must be the first time anyone has ever brought this up

[poppsywoppsy]

Originally Posted by -Sue-

Courtney IS a part of who Shane J is..
People dress up everyday (put clothes on)
Women dress up every Friday/Sat night to go 'out on the town' ??
men may wear Joggers & tshirt during the weekend suit and tie mon-friday ??How is Shane being shane/courtney any different? other than being flamboyant?

But they don't go the extra mile that Shane feels the need to.

[Greg!]

Originally Posted by poppsywoppsy

No, this must be the first time anyone has ever brought this up

Well someone asked a question and I answered it

[Kazanne]

Originally Posted by Greg!

None because she's not actually in power, but in a position of power she would gladly get rid of gay marriage, raise the age of consent, and ban abortions. She also supported section 28 which banned the mention of homosexuality in schools.

She is not in power and never will be,plus a lot of people hold the same opinions ,how are you going to shut them all down ? as long as they don't force you to believe what they do,what's the problem

[-Sue-]

Originally Posted by poppsywoppsy

But they don't go the extra mile that Shane feels the need to.

His choice noone elses..

[poppsywoppsy]

Originally Posted by -Sue-

His choice noone elses..

Because he is not a woman and biologically never can be.

[Robodog]

Originally Posted by Greg!

None because she's not actually in power, but in a position of power she would gladly get rid of gay marriage, raise the age of consent, and ban abortions. She also supported section 28 which banned the mention of homosexuality in schools.

I'm not religious but according to her definitions:

She sees marriage as a religious institution that recognises the sanctity of male/female union - sacred because it produces human life.

Obviously two people of the same gender cannot produce human life so she sees no reason to change the definition of marriage to accommodate something that is not possible by those religious terms.

As for abortions: again i am not religious but the Catholic church believe that life begins at conception.
So to them, abortions are like killing babies. That's why she called herself 'defender off the unborn'
I can't say for sure when life begins - at conception or later on during pregnancy so i don't quite know what to think on this.

There is no reason why gay people who love each other cannot have a fully legal relationship, equal to any legal straight partnership, but in terms of the religious definition of marriage as a sacred union between those who produce human life, i can see why religious people think that way - but i am not religious so it means nothing to me.

[-Sue-]

Originally Posted by poppsywoppsy

Because he is not a woman and biologically never can be.

He doesn't claim to be he just enjoys being courtney

[y.winter]

I do believe he has good intentions and that he believes thoroughly in what he's saying - and there's nothing wrong about his message.
But I can't help but think that as much as he loves his messages, he loves the sound of his own voice even more.
Funny thing, until India said it yesterday, I didn't notice that he's overdoing his message like she did hers. We get it, gay rights are a positive thing and Ann's approach is terrible - but you don't need to go on and on and on about it. He truly feels like he's the beacon of all things right, and I wonder if this is all that he can think and talk about.
I don't like Ann's opinions on things, but I do find myself rolling my eyes whenever he says idioms like "I'm not ashamed of my body!", "I'm not ashamed of a friendship between two men", with the undertone of "I'm wonderful and you need to take a leaf out of my book". Can you speak like a normal human being and not jump from one cliche to another?

[Oliver_W]

Does he need to have a message? I usually tune out when he goes on about LGBTQWERTY but I never got the impression he has an actual message, beyond representing what he sees as a positive example of a gay person.

[GoldHeart]

Originally Posted by Kazanne

She is not in power and never will be,plus a lot of people hold the same opinions ,how are you going to shut them all down ? as long as they don't force you to believe what they do,what's the problem

[Robodog]

Originally Posted by y.winter

I do believe he has good intentions and that he believes thoroughly in what he's saying - and there's nothing wrong about his message.
But I can't help but think that as much as he loves his messages, he loves the sound of his own voice even more.
Funny thing, until India said it yesterday, I didn't notice that he's overdoing his message like she did hers. We get it, gay rights are a positive thing and Ann's approach is terrible - but you don't need to go on and on and on about it. He truly feels like he's the beacon of all things right, and I wonder if this is all that he can think and talk about.
I don't like Ann's opinions on things, but I do find myself rolling my eyes whenever he says idioms like "I'm not ashamed of my body!", "I'm not ashamed of a friendship between two men", with the undertone of "I'm wonderful and you need to take a leaf out of my book". Can you speak like a normal human being and not jump from one cliche to another?

True

Speaking to my gay mates, he makes them cringe with all this self-appointed voice of the community business. Kind of enforces the gay stereotype of a 'preachy overtly-sexual drag queen' when the real message required is 'gays are as normal as the rest of us'. Being gay doesn't have to mean being outrageous and in your face.

It's also why a lot of gays cringe at gay pride. All that OTT gyrating in shiny pink pants. Not exactly normalising.

[Tom4784]

So this thread basically boils down to 'you're intolerant if you don't accept Ann's intolerance!' and the downplaying of Ann's crusade against the gays.

[LeatherTrumpet]

Originally Posted by Greg!

None because she's not actually in power, but in a position of power she would gladly get rid of gay marriage, raise the age of consent, and ban abortions. She also supported section 28 which banned the mention of homosexuality in schools.

She has not been in politics for 8 years. how on earth do you know her views now

8 years ago you were a child, for instance and i am sure your views have changed?

[LeatherTrumpet]

Originally Posted by Dezzy

So this thread basically boils down to 'you're intolerant if you don't accept Ann's intolerance!' and the downplaying of Ann's crusade against the gays.

Ann represented Maidstone and they voted for her time and time again.

Have you ever been there?

[Amy Jade]

Greg

[Robertocarlo]

His message is simple: EQUALITY. Equality not special treatment. Equality for men, women and the LGBT Community. It's simple really.