[jet]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

Because he hasn't personally gone anything it's always this guilt by association that is constantly referred to. Personally what has HE done?

Is actively supporting, sympathising and being great friends with the murderers of innocents 'nothing' in your eyes? Is letting antisemitism run rampant in his party for years and doing nothing about it 'nothing' in your eyes?

Is it all 'nothing' because he didn't plant a bomb himself? When he showed his own inner antisemitism, his excuse is 'I didn't know! I didn't do it'! 'I didn't look properly! So that's okay then, never mind that's its either a lie or it shows him as a bumbling idiot not fit to be a back bencher never mind lead the country.
The point is - its about who and what he encourages, condones, champions and lies about.

I find it pretty hard to believe that anyone who thinks terrorism or anti-Semitism is being used just to smear Corbyn actually takes terrorism or anti-Semitism seriously, or cares about the victims of either.

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by jet

Is actively supporting, sympathising and being great friends with the murderers of innocents 'nothing' in your eyes? Is letting antisemitism run rampant in his party for years and doing nothing about it 'nothing' in your eyes?

Is it all 'nothing' because he didn't plant a bomb himself? When he showed his own inner antisemitism, his excuse is 'I didn't know! I didn't do it'! 'I didn't look properly! So that's okay then, never mind that's its either a lie or it shows him as a bumbling idiot not fit to be a back bencher never mind lead the country.
The point is - its about who and what he encourages, condones, champions and lies about.

I find it pretty hard to believe that anyone who thinks terrorism or anti-Semitism is being weaponised just to attack Corbyn actually takes terrorism or anti-Semitism seriously, or cares about the victims of either.

So Corbyn is guilty by association, and now I am too?... Ok

[jet]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

So Corbyn is guilty by association, and now I am too?... Ok

No, that implies an innocence and no involvement and that isn't the case with Corbyn as you well know.
You didn't answer the questions I put to you, which comes as no surprise.

[arista]

These are closed facebook groups
so Corbyn can not stop them.

The list of members, breaking the Labour Party rules
is what can be dealt with

[LeatherTrumpet]

and now a paper thin "anti-Israel" thread has been made?

jesus wept

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by jet

No, that implies an innocence and no involvement and that isn't the case with Corbyn as you well know.
You didn't answer the questions I put to you, which comes as no surprise.

he did do something, the Chakrabarti report, could he have done more? Perhaps... But he is not alone in having undesirables among the ranks. We have to be consistent in our condemnation. All parties face scrutiny on this topic it can not be used as a club to beat one person within one party.

[jet]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

he did do something, the Chakrabarti report, could he have done more? Perhaps... But he is not alone in having undesirables among the ranks. We have to be consistent in our condemnation. All parties face scrutiny on this topic it can not be used as a club to beat one person within one party.

That report was 2 years ago - and the antisemitism in the Labour party is worse than ever - and all you can say is 'perhaps' he could have done more...o...kay.
That one person within one party is the leader of the party. If you can find me examples of May belonging to antisemitic facebook groups and condoning antisemitic murals I'll condemn her too.
If that was the case would you be making the pathetic excuses for her that you make for Corbyn?

[jet]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

So Corbyn is guilty by association, and now I am too?... Ok

You side stepped this question so I'll repeat it...

Is actively supporting, sympathising and being great friends with the murderers of innocents 'nothing' in your eyes?

Is it all 'nothing' because he didn't plant a bomb himself?

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by jet

You side stepped this question so I'll repeat it...

Is actively supporting, sympathising and being great friends with the murderers of innocents 'nothing' in your eyes?

Is it all 'nothing' because he didn't plant a bomb himself?

Like I said it was guilt by association, now it's gone from attending protests and sharing platforms to he was friends of murderers.

[jet]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

Like I said it was guilt by association, now it's gone from attending protests and sharing platforms to he was friends of murderers.

Don't pretend its the first you've heard of that Kizzy.

What exactly is your understanding of 'guilt by association'?

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by jet

That report was 2 years ago - and the antisemitism in the Labour party is worse than ever - and all you can say is 'perhaps' he could have done more...o...kay.
That one person within one party is the leader of the party. If you can find me examples of May belonging to antisemitic facebook groups and condoning antisemitic murals I'll condemn her too.
If that was the case would you be making the pathetic excuses for her that you make for Corbyn?

I appreciate that antisemitism is the topic yet it is not the only form of abuse that infests our political system is it? Why must we ignore one to focus entirely on another?...

Define 'worse than ever' Worse than when... did it not exist prior to Corbyn becoming leader, in any party?

We have antisemitism in the UK, it is confined to comments, tweets , FB comments and this ill considered mural.
Compare that to the antisemitism across Europe and America.... There is no comparison is there, why are we not focusing on the very real threat from the far right?

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by jet

Don't pretend its the first you've heard of that Kizzy.

What exactly is your understanding of 'guilt by association'?

Listen from 40mins in Johnathon from Finchley

Youtube video

[jet]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

Listen from 40mins in Johnathon from Finchley

Youtube video

I don't get the relevance to my question, which was ' what is your understanding of 'guilt by association' (referring to his support of terrorists.)

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by jet

I don't get the relevance to my question, which was ' what is your understanding of 'guilt by association' (referring to his support of terrorists.)

It's basically the same... you are projecting all the ills of terrorist and antisemitic groups onto this man, and there is not one piece of evidence to support that he advocates any prejudice or activity... not one.

All there is is 'he shared a platform with'.. or 'he met with x'

[jet]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

It's basically the same... you are projecting all the ills of terrorist and antisemitic groups onto this man, and there is not one piece of evidence to support that he advocates any prejudice or activity... not one.

All there is is 'he shared a platform with'.. or 'he met with x'

ok Kizzy, remain ignorant with lack of research (or pretend to be ignorant)

Corbyn and his sheep, eh? lol

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by jet

ok Kizzy, remain ignorant with lack of research (or pretend to be ignorant)

Corbyn and his sheep, eh? lol

While you remain rude and blinkered? Ok.

[Northern Monkey]

Well there comes a time when so many accusations and so much evidence appears that it can’t just be excused away by loyal fans.You don’t have to ignore all negatives just because you voted for someone.
I will openly admit that i was wrong when i ticked that Labour box in the last GE.We all make mistakes.

[jet]

Originally Posted by Northern Monkey

Well there comes a time when so many accusations and so much evidence appears that it can’t just be excused away by loyal fans.You don’t have to ignore all negatives just because you voted for someone.
I will openly admit that i was wrong when i ticked that Labour box in the last GE.We all make mistakes.

Well said!

[jet]

https://news.sky.com/story/jeremy-co...m-row-11314813

Jeremy Corbyn has been plunged into a new anti-Semitism row with Labour MPs after attending an event with members of a left-wing group hostile to mainstream Jewish organisations.

The Labour leader's office confirmed he attended a gathering in his Islington North constituency organised by a radical group called Jewdas to mark the Jewish feast day of Seder.

His attendance at the event was immediately condemned by Labour MPs and came only hours after he said in a TV interview he would not tolerate any anti-Semitism in the party.

But Jewdas has been attacked by Labour MPs after criticising last week's Parliament Square demonstration against anti-Semitism in Labour, which was attended by dozens of MPs of all parties.

The group said allegations linking Mr Corbyn to anti-Semitism were "the work of cynical manipulations by people whose express loyalty is to the Conservative Party and the right wing of the Labour Party".

Condemning Mr Corbyn for attending the Jewdas gathering, Labour MP John Woodcock tweeted: "This is deliberately baiting the mainstream Jewish community days after they pleaded with him to tackle anti-Semitism.

"And he must know that meeting them now will give his members the message that the group's extreme views are OK. Irresponsible and dangerous."

Another Labour MP, Angela Smith, tweeted: "Corbyn's attendance at the Jewdas Seder reads as a blatant dismissal of the case made for tackling anti-Semitism in Labour. #Enoughis Enough."

Mr Corbyn was also criticised by the Campaign Against Antisemitism.

Its chairman Gideon Falter said: "Given the anti-Semitism crisis engulfing the Labour Party, there is absolutely no way that Mr Corbyn can claim that this too was an oversight.

"Following the events of the past few weeks and indeed the past three years, this is a very clear two fingered salute at mainstream British Jewry.

"It is hard to imagine how this duplicitous man can claim to be remedying anti-Semitism within the Labour Party.

"The party must consider the message that is sent to British Jews and other minorities by him remaining as leader."

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by jet

https://news.sky.com/story/jeremy-co...m-row-11314813

Jeremy Corbyn has been plunged into a new anti-Semitism row with Labour MPs after attending an event with members of a left-wing group hostile to mainstream Jewish organisations.

The Labour leader's office confirmed he attended a gathering in his Islington North constituency organised by a radical group called Jewdas to mark the Jewish feast day of Seder.

His attendance at the event was immediately condemned by Labour MPs and came only hours after he said in a TV interview he would not tolerate any anti-Semitism in the party.

But Jewdas has been attacked by Labour MPs after criticising last week's Parliament Square demonstration against anti-Semitism in Labour, which was attended by dozens of MPs of all parties.

The group said allegations linking Mr Corbyn to anti-Semitism were "the work of cynical manipulations by people whose express loyalty is to the Conservative Party and the right wing of the Labour Party".

Condemning Mr Corbyn for attending the Jewdas gathering, Labour MP John Woodcock tweeted: "This is deliberately baiting the mainstream Jewish community days after they pleaded with him to tackle anti-Semitism.

"And he must know that meeting them now will give his members the message that the group's extreme views are OK. Irresponsible and dangerous."

Another Labour MP, Angela Smith, tweeted: "Corbyn's attendance at the Jewdas Seder reads as a blatant dismissal of the case made for tackling anti-Semitism in Labour. #Enoughis Enough."

Mr Corbyn was also criticised by the Campaign Against Antisemitism.

Its chairman Gideon Falter said: "Given the anti-Semitism crisis engulfing the Labour Party, there is absolutely no way that Mr Corbyn can claim that this too was an oversight.

"Following the events of the past few weeks and indeed the past three years, this is a very clear two fingered salute at mainstream British Jewry.

"It is hard to imagine how this duplicitous man can claim to be remedying anti-Semitism within the Labour Party.

"The party must consider the message that is sent to British Jews and other minorities by him remaining as leader."

I rest my case.. this is now less about the Jewish community and what their feelings are... (Jewdas being a Jewish group) it is now an entirely politicised move to oust the Labour leader.


'Jewdas said: “What has happened over the last week is anything but an attempt to address antisemitism. It is the work of cynical manipulations by people whose express loyalty is to the Conservative Party and the right wing of the Labour Party. It is a malicious ploy to remove the leader of the Opposition and put a stop to the possibility of a socialist government.”

They are bang on right.

[LeatherTrumpet]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

I rest my case.. this is now less about the Jewish community and what their feelings are... (Jewdas being a Jewish group) it is now an entirely politicised move to oust the Labour leader.


'Jewdas said: “What has happened over the last week is anything but an attempt to address antisemitism. It is the work of cynical manipulations by people whose express loyalty is to the Conservative Party and the right wing of the Labour Party. It is a malicious ploy to remove the leader of the Opposition and put a stop to the possibility of a socialist government.”

They are bang on right.

Jewdas is a Jewish diaspora group based in London. It describes itself as a "radical' and is described by The Jewish Chronicle as a "Jewish diaspora group, known for its far-left anti-Zionism." It has a satirical-communal website and stages events in London and elsewhere. It is a secretive organisation based upon anarchistic lines

wiki

[kirklancaster]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

Jewdas is a Jewish diaspora group based in London. It describes itself as a "radical' and is described by The Jewish Chronicle as a "Jewish diaspora group, known for its far-left anti-Zionism." It has a satirical-communal website and stages events in London and elsewhere. It is a secretive organisation based upon anarchistic lines

wiki

Totally correct LT.

They are NOT representative of ordinary Jews or mainstream Jewish organisations and are fanatically anti-Israel, and, if anything, are even not-so-covertly anti-Semitic in essence.

Even the name - Jewdas - is a glaring pun on Judas.

Corbyn's very public affiliation with them is nothing more than an arrogant and cynical 'two fingers' gesture to those who are urging him to rectify the rampant anti-Semitism within the nest of anti-Patriotic, anti-Democratic, Britain-Detesting, Treacherous Vipers which was ONCE the great British Labour Party.

[kirklancaster]

Originally Posted by Northern Monkey

Well there comes a time when so many accusations and so much evidence appears that it can’t just be excused away by loyal fans.You don’t have to ignore all negatives just because you voted for someone.
I will openly admit that i was wrong when i ticked that Labour box in the last GE.We all make mistakes.

Like Kirk here, 'You should have gone to Spock-Savers'

[Oliver_W]

I guess after countless accusations of anti-Semitism, and after avoiding meeting with the Board of Deputies, the Jewish Leadership Council, and the Chief Rabbi, the natural thing to do is make a mealy-mouthed youtube video before meeting a group like Jewdas.

[arista]

Give him credit for trying