[Twosugars]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

Honestly, I thought I had seen it all when it comes to the UK / political delusion, but apparently not. Now people seem to believe that the UK can actually "do something about" Russia.

Are you serious?

The UK can't "do anything to Russia" that amounts to more than shooting peas at an attack helicopter.

"Oh yes I know that the United States of America - the world's largest military and an economic superpower - hasn't been able to effectively tackle Russia's bull**** for the past half century or more... But hey... Theresa May's finally going to give them what for!"

you are incorrect re. the west not tackling russia - we won the cold war.

as for now, nobody is saying we should be starting another war!
but at the same time we cannot just ignore yet another incident like that
it's all about appropriate response.
some people in russia (putin etc) never gave up on russian empire and try to turn the clock back any way they can. they can't compete economically, so they do it by force (crimea, georgia, ukraine) or they resort to dirty tricks like trying to destabilise the west from the inside
we need to start reacting, not ignoring it coz it will make them even bolder

[MTVN]

Not sure what makes Russia so invincible really - their economy is the size of Italy, a lot of their infrastructure is crumbling, they no longer have as much control over Eastern Europe and they don't have many friends internationally

Originally Posted by Kizzy

And how difficult is it to go against the majority and toe the line every time and be totally vindicated every single tine?...

What do people want in a leader, one who bumbles along on the misinformation of the majority or who has the courage of convictions?

Isn't that what was admired in Churchill?....

No he has not been vindicated every single time, have a look at his record on Kosovo

[Toy Soldier]

Originally Posted by MTVN

Not sure what makes Russia so invincible really - their economy is the size of Italy, a lot of their infrastructure is crumbling, they no longer have as much control over Eastern Europe and they don't have many friends internationally



No he has not been vindicated every single time, have a look at his record on Kosovo

They have a gargantuan, un-invadable land mass, tens of thousands of nuclear warheads, and a large chip on their shoulder.

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by MTVN

Not sure what makes Russia so invincible really - their economy is the size of Italy, a lot of their infrastructure is crumbling, they no longer have as much control over Eastern Europe and they don't have many friends internationally



No he has not been vindicated every single time, have a look at his record on Kosovo

This record?...
https://www.parliament.uk/edm/2004-05/392

[MTVN]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

They have a gargantuan, un-invadable land mass, tens of thousands of nuclear warheads, and a large chip on their shoulder.

But there is no prospect of a nuclear war or a land invasion in this day and age, they aren't the only ways to damage a country

[MTVN]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

This record?...
https://www.parliament.uk/edm/2004-05/392

Yes thank you for highlighting the fact he denied genocide and tried to downplay the crimes committed in Kosovo

[arista]

Yes it is not a war
its the death of Ex Russians. (who have crossed the power)
Which was going on long before Putin.

[jet]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

This is a completely insane piece of posturing and Ms May is flat out incompetent. I have little more to say on this than that. Absolutely ****ing barmy, I hope Wee Nic is on the phone to Moscow letting them know that we don't agree with May's actions.

It's not just May though, the majority of the house are in unified agreement including most of the Opposition.

[jet]

Originally Posted by Twosugars

you are incorrect re. the west not tackling russia - we won the cold war.

as for now, nobody is saying we should be starting another war!
but at the same time we cannot just ignore yet another incident like that
it's all about appropriate response.
some people in russia (putin etc) never gave up on russian empire and try to turn the clock back any way they can. they can't compete economically, so they do it by force (crimea, georgia, ukraine) or they resort to dirty tricks like trying to destabilise the west from the inside
we need to start reacting, not ignoring it coz it will make them even bolder

I wonder what Putin really thinks about Corbyn, if he thinks of him at all. Putin despises weakness so he has to be dealt with in return with something of the ruthlessness which he displays himself.
You can't dither about and do nothing when an egomaniac thinks he can do want he wants. It is just handing him empowerment on a plate and saying 'We're scared of you' or 'You're not bad really, just misunderstood'.

[Underscore]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

This is a completely insane piece of posturing and Ms May is flat out incompetent. I have little more to say on this than that. Absolutely ****ing barmy, I hope Wee Nic is on the phone to Moscow letting them know that we don't agree with May's actions.

[Brillopad]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

She's trying to protect the money tree is all...

http://www.independent.co.uk/voices/...-a8253786.html

http://www.independent.co.uk/voices/...-a8253446.html

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...ry-Russia.html

He is in the minority bigtime.

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by Brillopad

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...ry-Russia.html

He is in the minority bigtime.

So.... And Dacre is aiding his cash cow cover her tracks, no change there then :/

[AnnieK]

This is a serious question Kizzy with no malice or undercurrent meant at all but if Jeremy Corbyn had wholeheartedly supported this action against Russia would you have done too or would you have disagreed with these actions and still have been against it?

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by MTVN

Yes thank you for highlighting the fact he denied genocide and tried to downplay the crimes committed in Kosovo

Haha nice try!

without any sanction of the United Nations Security Council;

the leader of a Spanish forensic team sent to Kosovo returned home, complaining angrily that he and his colleagues had become part of 'a semantic pirouette by the war propaganda machines, because we did not find one mass grave'

[arista]

I watched PMQ's in full
Corbyn did have a go at Putin.

Everyone appears to edit that out?

[MTVN]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

Haha nice try!

without any sanction of the United Nations Security Council;

the leader of a Spanish forensic team sent to Kosovo returned home, complaining angrily that he and his colleagues had become part of 'a semantic pirouette by the war propaganda machines, because we did not find one mass grave'

All based on an article that was largely discredited

I won't say more about it because I'm aware I've gone off topic but anyone who thinks Corbyn has an unblemished record on foreign policy hasn't done enough research imo

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by AnnieK

This is a serious question Kizzy with no malice or undercurrent meant at all but if Jeremy Corbyn had wholeheartedly supported this action against Russia would you have done too or would you have disagreed with these actions and still have been against it?

I had no idea about Corbyns stance when I gave my opinion I think it was last Sunday after seeing Marina Litvenenko on the Marr show Annie.

[jet]

The Guardian view on Theresa May and Russia: tackling the troll state...

https://www.theguardian.com/commenti...he-troll-state

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Nicky91

I'm on Putin's side, russia's greatest love machine


like he cares about what Theressa Mai has to say

Yeah he should be allowed murder whoever he wants because he's so sexy etc

[Twosugars]

Originally Posted by Nicky91

I'm on Putin's side, russia's greatest love machine


like he cares about what Theressa Mai has to say

Is that you, Donald?

[Nicky91]

Originally Posted by Twosugars

Is that you, Donald?

[parmnion]

Berwick upon tweed is primed and ready.

[Alf]

One thing about this news story, it's taken the spotlight of Telford.

[jaxie]

With a joint statement released today by the UK, Germany, France and the US, this situation is hotting up considerably. It's very worrying indeed. More worrying is the callous disregard towards the public with the use of the nerve agent in the first place. This is literally an attack on the UK.

I see Corbyn the sympathiser is at it again.

[jaxie]

Originally Posted by Underscore

Oh my, she said 'our' streets. Maybe she's coming round to the UK after all.