[DemolitionRed]

Originally Posted by kirklancaster

I do not understand this thread??? We are NOWHERE remotely near THE 'Great Depression'

What I actually said was, the way to climb out of a depression and stagnation (created by the 2008 crisis not immigration) is by stimulating growth. After the world crash our national debt soured to 87% of GDP. After WW2 it stood at 243%. One of the first things Clement Attlee did was build the NHS.

A recession is not a time to start putting money in the piggy bank and making cuts that cripple future Growth. This isn't home economics, its a government that owes its debt to The Bank of England of which it owns. In other words, the £453 billion it borrowed to help pay off the debt was borrowed from itself and therefore could of been written off.

Instead it chose massive cuts on its nation and those cuts have created further economic stagnation.

[Toy Soldier]

London is mostly great by the way - it really is obvious how much more gets spent on this city than any other in the UK. Then again, I don't really begrudge it as there are also security guards at KFC and Poundland. Security guards! You're lucky if you get a manned till without shouting down the shop at my local Poundland .

Also I get that underground station updates are ongoing and it takes time to get round all of them - but how come some of them look like modern art exhibits or futuristic scenes from Tron... While others are straight out of a Dickens novel? Or Edgar Allen Poe in some cases .

[DemolitionRed]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

London is mostly great by the way - it really is obvious how much more gets spent on this city than any other in the UK. Then again, I don't really begrudge it as there are also security guards at KFC and Poundland. Security guards! You're lucky if you get a manned till without shouting down the shop at my local Poundland .

Also I get that underground station updates are ongoing and it takes time to get round all of them - but how come some of them look like modern art exhibits or futuristic scenes from Tron... While others are straight out of a Dickens novel? Or Edgar Allen Poe in some cases .

I agree. Central London is great, especially Oxford St. Go and take a look around some of the deprived areas though. There's plenty of them but they are well hidden from the tourists. For the poor, London is hostile, expensive and depressing.

[waterhog]

Originally Posted by kirklancaster

The way things are going - Vladimir Putin.

kirky baby - if we all rally on TIBB we are a force that can take on putin - you don't min d being at front of our army kirky baby ? I have to go last to make sure no one is left behind.


come on lets all pull together -

[chuff me dizzy]

Originally Posted by parmnion

Not surprised homelessness has risen considering the amount of new citizens we are allowing in.

And the same reason for NHS to be on its arse !

[smudgie]

Originally Posted by kirklancaster

I do not understand this thread??? We are NOWHERE remotely near THE 'Great Depression'

Not even close the the 1970s even.

[DemolitionRed]

Originally Posted by chuff me dizzy

[DemolitionRed]

Originally Posted by smudgie

Not even close the the 1970s even.

Its an odd thing. I said

Recessions have a habit of reversing themselves without austerity. The big depression of 1930 recovered quickly without austerity and it achieved that by growth, not cuts.

Kirk then quoted me and said

We are NOWHERE remotely near THE 'Great Depression'

which was an odd thing to say as it had absolutely nothing to do with what I said.

You then agree with him which means you either didn't read what I said or just want to tag team.

All you lot are trying to do is kill a debate with glib sarcasms that have nothing to do with what this thread is about.

[Livia]

With all the crap going on in the world, I'm kind of surprised things are now being manufactured for us to worry about. Anyone who thinks this is anything like the recession in the 30s shows a rather pitiful lack of knowledge on the subject and what's worse, they're expecting the rest of us to be equally as ill-informed. As for eugenics... I sometimes think things like this are posted knowing most people are going to come in and say it's rubbish. And it is.

[Toy Soldier]

Originally Posted by DemolitionRed

I agree. Central London is great, especially Oxford St. Go and take a look around some of the deprived areas though. There's plenty of them but they are well hidden from the tourists. For the poor, London is hostile, expensive and depressing.

I won't disagree with that last part; yesterday I paid £16 for 4 ice creams... And £2.10 for a can of coke! I was like "Excuse me??"

[Livia]

There won't be any poor left in London once they've shipped them all out to make way for more gentrification, more hipsters, more wealthy people, more Russians... The East End used to have a culture all of its own but it's been destroyed bit by bit.

[smudgie]

Originally Posted by DemolitionRed

Its an odd thing. I said

Kirk then quoted me and said

which was an odd thing to say as it had absolutely nothing to do with what I said.

You then agree with him which means you either didn't read what I said or just want to tag team.

All you lot are trying to do is kill a debate with glib sarcasms that have nothing to do with what this thread is about.

This part of “all you lot” was answering in a quote, from Kirk, he had stated that what we are experiencing now is nothing like the Great Depression.
I stated that it was also nothing like the 1970s.
Quite simple, debating, not tag teaming or anything else you care to call it.
The thread title is about the Great Depression, and its second coming, so of course what we both said has everything to do with what the thread is about.

[Brillopad]

Originally Posted by DemolitionRed

Edited to add: Maybe I'll go off and pray for an adult conversation on here.

Patronising claptrap.

[parmnion]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

I won't disagree with that last part; yesterday I paid £16 for 4 ice creams... And £2.10 for a can of coke! I was like "Excuse me??"

Ice cream!!...in this weather..
Very irrisponsible.

[parmnion]

Originally Posted by Livia

There won't be any poor left in London once they've shipped them all out to make way for more gentrification, more hipsters, more wealthy people, more Russians... The East End used to have a culture all of its own but it's been destroyed bit by bit.

Ruined, i was greatly upset getting off the tube at aldgate east for the walk up to the blind begger.

[AnnieK]

Originally Posted by DemolitionRed

Its an odd thing. I said

Kirk then quoted me and said

which was an odd thing to say as it had absolutely nothing to do with what I said.

You then agree with him which means you either didn't read what I said or just want to tag team.

All you lot are trying to do is kill a debate with glib sarcasms that have nothing to do with what this thread is about.

I can't see where you were quoted DM?

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

I won't disagree with that last part; yesterday I paid £16 for 4 ice creams... And £2.10 for a can of coke! I was like "Excuse me??"

Should've let the bloody blighters starve until they're earning themselves.

[jet]

Originally Posted by DemolitionRed

Edited to add: Maybe I'll go off and pray for an adult conversation on here.

Careful you don't fall off that high horse.

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by kirklancaster

Ahhhhhh.... Yes. I understand now.

If you don't want to be part of the discussion then don't, had you chosen to read the linked article and the information contained you might understand better where I'm coming from, you quite obviously haven't which is why you've chosen to insult me personally instead.

I will report any further mockery/trolling.

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by DemolitionRed

I agree. Central London is great, especially Oxford St. Go and take a look around some of the deprived areas though. There's plenty of them but they are well hidden from the tourists. For the poor, London is hostile, expensive and depressing.

I came to London 20 years ago, I was poor I found it exciting tbh, and one thing about London if you want to work you will get a job.

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

I won't disagree with that last part; yesterday I paid £16 for 4 ice creams... And £2.10 for a can of coke! I was like "Excuse me??"

I assume you are in Central London, it would be the same in Times Square, or St Peters or the hub of any City

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by Livia

With all the crap going on in the world, I'm kind of surprised things are now being manufactured for us to worry about. Anyone who thinks this is anything like the recession in the 30s shows a rather pitiful lack of knowledge on the subject and what's worse, they're expecting the rest of us to be equally as ill-informed. As for eugenics... I sometimes think things like this are posted knowing most people are going to come in and say it's rubbish. And it is.

The info is from the IFS, when measures are implemented that specifically target certain groups as has happened and continues to happen with regard to welfare then it's not too much of a leap to suggest that the focus is intentional.

It was a suggestion in a debate, made to inspire debate... What has it inspired in you? The usual scoffing mockery with no input as is the norm.

To come into a debate simply to insult the OP is rude and unnecessary.

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by Cherie

I came to London 20 years ago, I was poor I found it exciting tbh, and one thing about London if you want to work you will get a job.

A lot can happen in 20yrs Cherie

[Livia]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

The info is from the IFS, when measures are implemented that specifically target certain groups as has happened and continues to happen with regard to welfare then it's not too much of a leap to suggest that the focus is intentional.

It was a suggestion in a debate, made to inspire debate... What has it inspired in you? The usual scoffing mockery with no input as is the norm.

To come into a debate simply to insult the OP is rude and unnecessary.

I wasn't mocking the topic, although there is plenty of room for it. I was mocking you telling people how you're going to report them for things you regularly do yourself. I think we're all going to be doing a little more reporting in future, I know I am.

[Cherie]

[[/QUOTE]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

A lot can happen in 20yrs Cherie

You are right, I am no longer poor!