[parmnion]

With the news of the brave actions of Arnaud Beltrame it got me wondering as its not often you hear of women doing anything like this.

Im sure there are loads of instances of both men and women being brave...but who is bravest.

[kirklancaster]

http://http://www.violette-szabo-mus.../violette.html

I adore this woman.

The film: 'Carve Her Name With Pride' starring Virginia Mckenna tells her story.

[parmnion]

So young as well kirk...thats just made me sad.

Any films you know of on her life story?...edit...doh.


I will watch that tonight

[kirklancaster]

Originally Posted by parmnion

So young as well kirk...thats just made me sad.

Any films you know of on her life story?...edit...doh.


I will watch that tonight

It was my fault there Parmy - I can't do all this 'Link' insertion business

You should watch it if you get the chance it's a good film. I weep every time I watch it.

[parmnion]

Originally Posted by kirklancaster

It was my fault there Parmy - I can't do all this 'Link' insertion business

You should watch it if you get the chance it's a good film. I weep every time I watch it.

Oh...well brooklyn got me blubbing last sunday so i look forward to it.

[Ammi]

...’bravery’ is an individual specific thing, not a gender specific thing..I don’t think, Parmy...the contrast of an ‘instinct’ of Arnaud Beltrame..to those ‘instincts’ felt of ‘self preservation’ in the criticism received by Scot Peterson in the recent Florida attack...?...they are both males, they both acted in ‘instinct’ and complete contrast in that instinct, we could say..?...


...in the Florida attack, there were female staff whose reaction showed an instinct to protect above all else, above any ‘self-preservation’...as in Dunblane as well ...one ‘bravery’ was posthumous if I recall...but many acts of bravery that day shown by females..?...yeah, I think it’s completely an ‘individual’ thing...with that individual not even realising how their reaction will be...until..and with no thought...

[parmnion]

Originally Posted by Ammi

...’bravery’ is an individual specific thing, not a gender specific thing..I don’t think, Parmy...the contrast of an ‘instinct’ of Arnaud Beltrame..to those ‘instincts’ felt of ‘self preservation’ in the criticism received by Scot Peterson. In the recent Florida attack...?...they are both males, they both acted in ‘instinct’ and complete contrast in that instinct, we could say..?...


...in the Florida attack, there were female staff whose reaction showed an instinct to protect above all else, above any ‘self-preservation’...as in Dunblane as well ...one ‘bravery’ was posthumous if I recall...but many acts of bravery that day shown by females..?...yeah, I think it’s completely an ‘individual’ thing...with that individual not even realising how their reaction will be...until..and with no thought...

I have to agree with all that...i just couldnt think of many incidents where the news channels have had a womans face on the screen when mentioning bravery.

Glad you have pointed out a few for me to read up on.

[Ammi]

...just to make you feel a bit more reflective and sad this morning, Parmy..(..sorry..)...but Arnaud Beltrame married his partner just before he died in hospital...is what has been revealed as well...he chose another life over his own and his future life with the person he loved.../..incredible guy...

[parmnion]

Originally Posted by Ammi

...just to make you feel a bit more reflective and sad this morning, Parmy..(..sorry..)...but Arnaud Beltrame married his partner just before he died in hospital...is what has been revealed as well...he chose another life over his own and his future life with the person he loved.../..incredible guy...

Yeah i read that earlier, very sad. Heartbreaking infact, something i wouldnt have done in his situation.

[jaxie]

I don't think there is braver sex, I think courage comes from within all sorts of people in times of need. Sometimes the most unlikely people turn out to be heroes. If you look at history there are both men and women of incredible bravery and sacrifice.

And that's a marvellous old movie Kirk!

[Toy Soldier]

No, there are different types of strength and bravery, and it's totally down to individual differences in my opinion. I guess the reason this myth (that men are braver) might perpetuate is that in certain circumstances, e.g. Someone being attacked, carrying someone out of danger, saving people from sinking cars, etc we more often see males jumping in than females but that's really just because males are on average more physically cut out for those situations, so it's less of a risk. Less of a risk isn't the same as "more brave". Also... I personally don't think that these acute physical situations are the really big "tests of bravery" in life, anyway.

I guess maybe on average, you could argue that men are more physically confident than women? And jump into certain physical situations more often for that reason.

[Tom4784]

Bravery is not determined by gender, no.

[Vicky.]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

No, there are different types of strength and bravery, and it's totally down to individual differences in my opinion. I guess the reason this myth (that men are braver) might perpetuate is that in certain circumstances, e.g. Someone being attacked, carrying someone out of danger, saving people from sinking cars, etc we more often see males jumping in than females but that's really just because males are on average more physically cut out for those situations, so it's less of a risk. Less of a risk isn't the same as "more brave". Also... I personally don't think that these acute physical situations are the really big "tests of bravery" in life, anyway.

I guess maybe on average, you could argue that men are more physically confident than women? And jump into certain physical situations more often for that reason.

I would agree with this. i do think averagely men are more confident in their abilities/strength and as such...may be more likely to actually help someone rather than passing by or something? Like if a woman saw someone being attacked, she may be more hesitant to get involved as there is a large chance she could not help anyway and will just get hurt herself too. Where your average guy may not do that risk assessment and just jump right in, even with the risk of it happening to him? IDK. I do think that on the whole men are more confident that women though. And obviously much much stronger (going averagely)

I agree with this whole post tbh.

[Twosugars]

I think there might be a slight bias towards men statistically
but only in "spur of the moment" bravery, because of the link between bravery-recklessness-testosterone
the other type, "thought through" bravery would probably be equal for both genders

[Smithy]

Originally Posted by Vicky.

I would agree with this. i do think averagely men are more confident in their abilities/strength and as such...may be more likely to actually help someone rather than passing by or something? Like if a woman saw someone being attacked, she may be more hesitant to get involved as there is a large chance she could not help anyway and will just get hurt herself too. Where your average guy may not do that risk assessment and just jump right in, even with the risk of it happening to him? IDK. I do think that on the whole men are more confident that women though. And obviously much much stronger (going averagely)

I agree with this whole post tbh.

OR what you could also say is that men are stupid and don’t think before they act

[montblanc]

Originally Posted by Dezzy

Bravery is not determined by gender, no.

this

men may be seem braver confident since society conditions men to be more assertive and dominant as opposed to women but bravery itself isn't determined by gender

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by montblanc

this

men may be seem braver confident since society conditions men to be more assertive and dominant as opposed to women but bravery itself isn't determined by gender

yep pretty much, but agree with most people in the thread in general

[waterhog]

some woman are not only brave but have immense strength. but you can not categorise brave. it applies to every act individually.


ps I was brave to do this post not in poetry.

[Kizzy]

I'd say it was personal and, conscience, integrity and ethics all contribute

[LeatherTrumpet]

men are as they have to marry and live with women

[Maru]

My family has a long line of strong women as role models, so I can't subscribe to the idea of either sex having a "one up" on bravery. I have seen this quality proudly displayed by both sexes... I tend to think folk who think that more courageous positive traits tend to gravitate towards one sex over another have not had a strong enough role model from the latter.

[JoshBB]

Lol no.

Bravery is subjective and regardless, gender cannot solely define a person's traits.

[Underscore]

Originally Posted by montblanc

this

men may be seem braver confident since society conditions men to be more assertive and dominant as opposed to women but bravery itself isn't determined by gender

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